Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

2022-04-12 Thread Steve Smith
<https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54968118-the-code-breaker?from_search=true_srp=true=thyyPCBQL6=1>on CRISPR and Doudna's life-story.  With all the chatter here about post/trans-humanism, I had expected to see others reporting on this book here? *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

2022-04-12 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Your use of "regret" is a dead giveaway to your narrativity. A regret operator (even in formal settings) is only useful in contexts that assume both free-will and narrativity. I don't know that *I* experience a lot of regret, mostly because I recognize that anything I might "regret" in

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

2022-04-12 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - Steve writes: < Arguments for generational rather than Individual/personal growth and transformation... “I don’t think we should try to have people live for a really long time,” Musk recently told Insider. “It would cause asphyxiation of society because the truth is,

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

2022-04-12 Thread Steve Smith
-- rec --    wrote: Science week before last, mixed in with the telomere-to-telomere human genome, https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abo0713 discusses Thompson /et al./ (/3/ ) describe taking an experimental

Re: [FRIAM] self and next*

2022-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
On 4/4/22 10:59 AM, glen wrote: I wish I knew of a way to navigate metanarratives methodically: In Hungary, Viktor Orbán Remakes an Election to His Liking https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/world/europe/hungary-viktor-orban-election.html Glen - Virtually every conversation here coming

Re: [FRIAM] Ordinary logic

2022-04-01 Thread Steve Smith
this discussion lead my free-associative, somewhat atrophied brain (or is it mind?) back to this paper: Digital Information Mechanics, Edward Fredkin 1981 http://52.7.130.124/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PhysicistModelofComputation.pdf which I was surprised to find online (I think I

Re: [FRIAM] Ordinary logic

2022-04-01 Thread Steve Smith
 Frank - Formal logic is not a god but exists independently of nervous systems. A -> B   <->   -B -> -A But is it *relevant* to anything independent of (central?) nervous systems? I know this isn't precisely what you meant, but I would suggest that formal logic and gods have more in common

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: We just launched Russian Asset Tracker, most complete database to date

2022-03-23 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus shared: Steve wrote: “Their offices are in Kiev... they are likely doing advanced skunkworks resistance projects in their labs right now... “ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/starlink-helps-ukraines-elite-drone-unit-target-and-destroy-russian-tanks/ < The Ukrainian unit's

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: We just launched Russian Asset Tracker, most complete database to date

2022-03-22 Thread Steve Smith
I did some work with a couple of Ukranians maybe 6-8 years ago who were phenomenally competent and motivated and clever.   I got the strong sense that "relaxed constraints" was a strong accelerant for their capability/motivation.    The project was roughly designing no-rectangular LCD panels

Re: [FRIAM] Sunshine protection act

2022-03-17 Thread Steve Smith
2, 1:00 PM cody dooderson wrote: For those of you who don't get all of your news from XKCD, https://xkcd.com/2594 . On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:03 PM Gillian Densmore wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:34 PM Steve Smith wrote: On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gil

Re: [FRIAM] Sunshine protection act

2022-03-17 Thread Steve Smith
a.org/wiki/Stop_the_World On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:03 PM Gillian Densmore wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:34 PM Steve Smith wrote: On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Please pass > https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-

Re: [FRIAM] altered states of consciousness

2022-03-17 Thread Steve Smith
Something I've been interested in since the earliest days of open-sourcing and crowd sourcing has been the challenge of making sure the data collected, and to some extent the synthetic and analytic products thereof remain not only in the public domain but also to be facilitated as aggressively

[FRIAM] continued preaching

2022-03-16 Thread Steve Smith
I just got notice from a colleague in Sweden who I met on the visit Merle coordinated in 2019: https://idg-2022.confetti.events/?fbclid=IwAR2Ak5abD4trDWOrZwXZ3t4CPFiwwZVCZFKIajb3QyB73w2yLh6jkX3Rhp8 this is hosted by the Inner Development Goals group: https://www.innerdevelopmentgoals.org/

[FRIAM] human side of the Ukraine crisis

2022-03-16 Thread Steve Smith
Mary's nephew's "charge", Vlada made it to Warsaw most of a week ago from a small farm east of Kiev.   She has established a network of support and (new) friends among the refugees there. The goFundMe cash they gathered was very helpful to this effort and being crowdsourced, the load was

Re: [FRIAM] and don’t miss this

2022-03-16 Thread Steve Smith
I think I am glad that Musk's challenge didn't bubble up all over the popular media.   While I think it was a typical Musk move, and may have some significant psyops value, there is no way in hell it is his place to claim to represent Ukraine or whatever bloc of interests that surround them.  

Re: [FRIAM] Sunshine protection act

2022-03-15 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: Please pass https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent/ I had to google that this wasn't early April fools, or that I was misreading things. except they got it backwards?   People who *like*

Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

2022-03-11 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/11/22 10:29 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < Meanwhile let's argue about the details of the tech to use H2 as a storage/transportation alternative to fossil fuels and keep on endorsing the stacking of the house of cards higher and higher, because after all, like the tower of babel we will

Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

2022-03-11 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/11/22 8:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: ... The maximalist MAD scenario is a made-up thing. I'm not sure how to parse this.  Not possible (technically) or not likely (sociopolitically)? Is your belief that there is no scenario where those who hold nuclear weapons cannot launch enough to

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-10 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/10/22 12:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < I don't think the kid gloves of pies and poop-bags would be enough to heckle Putin off the World Stage.   Though it might still be for the likes of T, Gaetz, Greene, etc. > Tungsten rods from orbit, man. Not lightweight/high temperature ceramic

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-10 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/10/22 10:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Decentralization and cryptographic methods will make it harder to find the organizers!I'd still like a sticker I could put on my car. Back in the day when all we could get worked up over was little Donny Trump, I wanted to create a "Pie Trump"

Re: [FRIAM] Z

2022-03-09 Thread Steve Smith
My monkey mind jumped to Z for Zorro (probably not near and dear to the Russian literary/cinematic heart) and half of the antichiral sauwistika 卍... or vaguely referential to Putin's claim that he is removing "Nazis" from the Ukraine gov't. Or maybe Z for Zalensky, their presumed "prime

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-08 Thread Steve Smith
DaveW - My 77 year old ex-wife was asking me how to join the fray. She had researched plane tickets, but her passport is dated and she was asking if that would prevent her from going there. I have a very good friend, Ukrainian living in Moscow wrestling with the dilemma of giving up his

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-08 Thread Steve Smith
I was tempted to start a new thread, but this one has become so frayed (as our threads oft do) that it feels it doesn't really matter. I mentioned a couple of times an evacuation effort by Mary's nephew in Wisconsin of a young woman they hosted in an exchange program a few years ago.   Here

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/7/22 2:17 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Do any tax return forms have an item that says, "Gift to the US Treasury"?  It might work. I can't remember the year I quit ignoring the "give $1 to the US Presidential Election Fund" because I "didn't want to encourage the Bastards" and started

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

2022-03-07 Thread Steve Smith
And thanks to both of you for this fuzzy-thread that runs through a lot of your discussions here.  I don't feel intellectually (or focusly) capable of parsing everything here offered out to the fringe/fray at the edge of the implicative network offered.  Not even a spanning-tree of it most of

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-05 Thread Steve Smith
-time... Someone seems to be driving the pan/zoom on the one in Karkiev where the missile strikes are coming in. Also on youtubelive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6pvh49jSNM On 3/5/22 11:03 PM, Steve Smith wrote: https://livebeachcam.net/kharkiv-ukraine-live-webcam/ https

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-05 Thread Steve Smith
pens later there are going to be a lot of dead Ukrainians.  At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants it to be a radioactive DMZ. Marcus [1] https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/escalate-deescalate-part-russias-nuclear-toolbox *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Saturday, March

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-05 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/4/22 8:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1499440540290584583 I started watching this guy (Beau of the Fifth Column) semi-regularly months ago even though his affect triggers a lot of my attempts to ignore my own redneck roots.   I don't think I've

[FRIAM] sex/gender combinatorics: was academic freedom

2022-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/4/22 2:59 PM, glen wrote: Well, what this seems to ignore is that sex/gender attitudes do change. In support of this I have myriad of my own anecdotes which might not have much universal appeal.   An overview:  I grew up with the idea (learned from my subculture) that "gay" or

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
a network, not according to artificial nationalist citizenhood and such. The phrase "hearts and minds" helps, but isn't concrete enough. On 3/2/22 16:04, Steve Smith wrote: Glen - I really appreciate your outlining this so well. It is always easier to imagine that *other peop

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-02 Thread Steve Smith
emocracy. What hope do those fed up with Putin and his government have? Only the hopes of coming years, if not decades of poverty, protesting, and bearing the risk of dying in jail or at the hands of a Tushayev? On 3/2/22 14:59, Steve Smith wrote: I like to hope that the net effect of Putin'

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-02 Thread Steve Smith
I like this conception, something ill-formed like this has been brewing inside of me also. I thought COVID would be an opportunity to refactor lots of things from noticing how much relief wildlife (esp.  whales?) experienced from our "cooling our jets" to  making telecommuting a reality for

[FRIAM] Feed the birds (and grow some sunflowers)

2022-03-01 Thread Steve Smith
Cody - Thanks, what an interesting twist Every spring I spread sunflower seeds over any fresh snow.   Most of them feed the birds (and other critters) but every summer I get sunflowers sprouting in places I didn't expect.   It seems like a good symbolic thing for Ukranians to do would be

Re: [FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

2022-02-28 Thread Steve Smith
me sort, then I can play along nearly as if I actually agree on that foundation, at least for awhile. Maybe this construct will help us find a way to do that without anyone feeling bullied. On 2/28/22 08:19, Steve Smith wrote: Glen wrote, a few weeks ago, about an old friend/colleague who had been

Re: [FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

2022-02-28 Thread Steve Smith
as if I actually agree on that foundation, at least for awhile. Maybe this construct will help us find a way to do that without anyone feeling bullied. On 2/28/22 08:19, Steve Smith wrote: Glen wrote, a few weeks ago, about an old friend/colleague who had been out of touch who confronted h

Re: [FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

2022-02-28 Thread Steve Smith
ybe right up Nick's alley? https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/how-consciousness-evolved/485558/ This whole thing rhymes (I find) with the Generative Adversarial Network discussions we've had here in the past. And for some of us, maybe we can fold in Hypergraphs also... ;^)

[FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

2022-02-28 Thread Steve Smith
Glen wrote, a few weeks ago, about an old friend/colleague who had been out of touch who confronted him with having "bullied him intellectually" a while back.    I didn't think too much of it at the time because I experience Glen's confrontational style to be more about contrarianism than

Re: [FRIAM] sanctions schmanctions

2022-02-25 Thread Steve Smith
On 2/25/22 7:33 AM, glen wrote: I guess I spoke too soon: https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/anonymous-attacks-russia-ukraine-invasion-rt-ddos-b2023177.html I am still unclear about how self-organized/appointed dis-organizations like Anonymous can actually work.  I don't mean that

Re: [FRIAM] tapeworms

2022-02-20 Thread Steve Smith
well found/shared... On 2/20/22 8:12 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Whether the effect is the Fox News viewer, or golfers at the local country club, I think the cause must be tapeworms! https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/05/ant-tapeworm/618919/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -.

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

2022-02-17 Thread Steve Smith
hat must be. Anyway, I'm not saying any of this has anything to do with Consilience Project. But it's a tangent that, by typing it out and submitting it for criticism here, may help me fine-grain my worry into a concrete criticism of them. On 2/16/22 19:10, Steve Smith wrote: Man...   I finally

[FRIAM] Brain as Quantum Computer Hallucinating Math

2022-02-16 Thread Steve Smith
I haven't gone deep into this article yet, but the premise and some of the factoids I tripped over were provocative.   Touched on the Primate and Human Subjects testing and neural (invasive) sensing stuff we've been rattling on about here lately.

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

2022-02-16 Thread Steve Smith
ting, I look forward to hearing more from you about their arguments. On 2/16/22 5:55 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I'm glad you brought up the Consilience Project again.   I have not hardly but scratched their "veneer" and have my own warning signals, including how smooth some of their stuff

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

2022-02-16 Thread Steve Smith
al mechanism. And, as a mechanism, a stopped clock cannot be a clock at all. So "stopped clock" is self-contradictory ... from which, classicaly, we can derive any theorem at all. So stopped clocks are either always right or never right, which means they can't be right 2 times per day. Pff

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

2022-02-16 Thread Steve Smith
SteveG - I'm not at all familiar with this podcast.  My taste in SF doesn't normally run to the Alien Visitor subgenre (though it does remind me of Doug Robert's novella on that topic circa 2010?) I'll take a gander at that as well as Garfield's and give you a response. I kinda gave up on

Re: [FRIAM] by any means necessary

2022-02-15 Thread Steve Smith
On 2/15/22 1:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: An Ising model would also work here where collective activities are encoded as binary terms and the quadratic terms represent inter-subject affinity and repulsion to those activities. For example, if a pig suffers, some support staff might stop

Re: [FRIAM] by any means necessary

2022-02-15 Thread Steve Smith
Thanks for having this conversation in front of us,  I'm pretty invested in these kinds of issues and they are rarely discussed openly IMO. Perhaps you can unpack for me a little (or say it another way so I can gain my own parallax): /In our capitalist society, is it reasonable for

Re: [FRIAM] by any means necessary

2022-02-15 Thread Steve Smith
Where are the advocacy groups to write *only* steelmen rather than being either corporate/industry lackeys and/or hyper-aggressive activists reframing everything as a tragedy? My sympathies are with the "little guy", the individuals and groups with no voice or power of their own, but too often

Re: [FRIAM] Agentscript steganography for distributing model code with an image (was Re: ... --- ...)

2022-02-10 Thread Steve Smith
Excellent analysis Glen... On 2/10/22 12:30 PM, glen wrote: Excellent! Transparency is inadequate, though. As with open-source, transparency reduces to reachability, which facilitates hacking by obscurity, one of the many kinds of supply chain channels we're seeing so much of in the news

Re: [FRIAM] Agentscript steganography for distributing model code with an image (was Re: ... --- ...)

2022-02-10 Thread Steve Smith
SG - I think you are just *asking* for a Snow Crash scenario...  like jokesters on TV/podcasts who utter "Alexa " on air knowing many folks will have an Alexa device listening and have to contend with their device(s) executing the command.  

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

2022-02-08 Thread Steve Smith
rvivalists, and *not* pipe energy to their stead. It's the blatant exploiters, rent-seekers, whose living out there is fully supported by their ability to suck resources from the hive ... and our abetting that parasitic relationship. On 2/8/22 09:00, Steve Smith wrote: As an amateur comple

Re: [FRIAM] Power Laws and the Human Condition...

2022-02-08 Thread Steve Smith
guys. It just seems so obvious that rather than homogenize the wilderness, we should be diversifying the city. Hence bringing compressed air to the (residentially zoned) home seems regressive, not progressive. Thanks. I'll look up Kimmerer and Hubville. On 2/8/22 10:43, Steve Smith wrote: Glen - No

[FRIAM] Power Laws and the Human Condition...

2022-02-08 Thread Steve Smith
truly innovative survivalists, and *not* pipe energy to their stead. It's the blatant exploiters, rent-seekers, whose living out there is fully supported by their ability to suck resources from the hive ... and our abetting that parasitic relationship. On 2/8/22 09:00, Steve Smith wrote: As a

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

2022-02-08 Thread Steve Smith
city.  45% of all water used in the US is used to create electricity. We see this as a better option than Hydrogen.  We do think Hydrogen fuel cells are a solution for mobile applications. Mike Orshan

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

2022-02-07 Thread Steve Smith
for mobile applications. Mike Orshan On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 10:27 AM Steve Smith wrote: On 2/6/22 8:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://thebulletin.org/2022/01/whether-green-blue-or-turquoise-hydrogen-needs-to-be-clean-and-cheap/ ///Low-cost fossil fuel resources are finite

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

2022-02-07 Thread Steve Smith
On 2/6/22 8:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://thebulletin.org/2022/01/whether-green-blue-or-turquoise-hydrogen-needs-to-be-clean-and-cheap/ ///Low-cost fossil fuel resources are finite. Someday it will simply not be possible to burn oil, natural gas, and coal for the affordable

Re: [FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemic regime instability

2022-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
e, perhaps the kind of oscillation the author imagines.   The trick will be to insulate oneself from it until the political power of the crazies is ground down by repeated failure and steadily decreasing economic power. *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 20

Re: [FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemic regime instability

2022-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
l power of the crazies is ground down by repeated failure and steadily decreasing economic power. *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 8:32 AM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* [FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemic regime instability Someone here

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
zed? A radius of 1 in some metrics may be larger than a radius of 1 in other metrics. And Twitch is the generative impulse, the (pseudo)RNG that takes us from here to there. Coverage is more important than consistency in fantasy. On 2/4/22 07:44, Steve Smith wrote: I like the refinemen

[FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemic regime instability

2022-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
Someone here is more likely than I to have actually read Ziblatt and Levitsky's How Democracies Die A recent article (behind a subscribe-wall) included the

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
in what can be tweaked and then iterated forward to watch the consequences. It's also why I'm gobsmacked by alternative logics, despite my incompetence therein. What we call "absurd" almost never really feels absurd to me. It's fine! Just play along. On 2/3/22 13:15, Steve Smith w

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Smith
ar of parallel worlds suspended between the antipodes of Logos and Chaos (my interpretation of his deal)... On 2/3/22 10:57, Steve Smith wrote: Regarding the Amber series and Zelazny. They were very influential on me... really the first/only "Fantasy" I ever cared much for.  If Zel

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Smith
tps://slate.host/gepr/misc?cid=bafybeicwqgmnevz7eozntvhigdskcgezmprd55ec6ys2mrj2zlwlmpp4oa https://slate.host/gepr/misc?cid=bafybeicnyt2xgr2heluzbzpeofzkf7arti5qsk7dpr6dg6mcrapcjuqxp4 On 2/2/22 16:01, Steve Smith wrote: On 2/2/22 1:36 PM, glen wrote: No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish when I post from my

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread Steve Smith
On 2/2/22 1:36 PM, glen wrote: No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish when I post from my newly configured TBird client versus other clients. Never ascribe intelligence where stochasticity will suffice. I could have equally chosen something from Zelazny or

Re: [FRIAM] celebrity woes

2022-02-02 Thread Steve Smith
On 2/2/22 9:32 AM, glen wrote: Teen monitoring Elon Musk’s jet ‘tracking Gates, Bezos and Drake too’ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/02/teen-tracking-elon-musk-jet-bill-gates-jeff-bezos-drake-jack-sweeney-tesla-flight-tracker-bot reminds me (vaguely) of Trevor Paglen

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - I can't disagree with your points about Musk's *effectiveness* and those (stodgy or incompetent or narrowly ambitious) he has eclipsed over and over again in a couple of decades (or less), any more than I can his (apparent) *intentions*.   Tony Stark is a fun fictional character for

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/27/22 10:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < Musk is trying to kick our cans from fossil fuel extraction/combustion/spills to Lithium (and heavy metals) extraction/discarding as well as the can of an out of-balance biosphere on earth to terraforming Mars (with care and thoughtful intention

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

2022-01-27 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/27/22 7:46 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Did I hear/read correctly that the Salton Sea in the Southern California desert is above the world's largest Lithium deposit?  I believe that body of water is useless for most purposes. whose modern roots are quite medley of unintended consequences:

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

2022-01-27 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/27/22 5:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04281-w If only ubiquitous, inexpensive energy was the solution to (or the lack of it the root rather than one of the symptoms of) our overshoot problems. I believe it is yet another installment in what

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

2022-01-27 Thread Steve Smith
nts.   That non-fiction would be interesting reading. Marcus ---- *From:* Friam on behalf of Steve Smith *Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 12:15 PM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi Marc

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

2022-01-27 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - Thanks for your feedback on KSR's writing style... it really sobered me to realize how much of an obsessionist I am on this topic and what I will ignore to feed that obsession. I tripped over (thank you Google News Feed) an interesting article in Grist:

Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

2022-01-26 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/25/22 5:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out well above the others).  His Red/Green/Blue Mars series is a good complement with

Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

2022-01-25 Thread Steve Smith
Patrick - Always (more than) 2 sides to a topic... thanks for speaking to this.   I think some of the analogies to our feelings about Soviet-Cuban relations is still relevant.   That doesn't mean that Putin/Russia isn't up to something ultimately really bad for "the West"... I had Ukranian

[FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

2022-01-25 Thread Steve Smith
DaveW - I too am a Bacigalupi fan, "Water Knife" in particular, also "Windup Girl" but for different reasons. It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out well above the

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

2022-01-25 Thread Steve Smith
Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Steve Smith wrote: We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken come from). We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

2022-01-25 Thread Steve Smith
EricS wrote: I don’t remember hearing about infanticides, Frank, though there is much I miss that does happen. me poking in with another anecdotal data point...  worth no more what you are paying for it... During my last 10 years at LANL I worked with a lot of UNM grad students, many

[FRIAM] There is a Thich Nhat Hanh sized hole in the Universe

2022-01-23 Thread Steve Smith
/There is a Thich Nhat Hanh sized hole in the Universe/ begins my as-yet unwritten */Ode to Thich Nhat Hanh/ *who passed away at 95 yesterday. I would like to invite everyone's

Re: [FRIAM] Communication guides for the elderly

2022-01-23 Thread Steve Smith
that sentence, or even noticed that for an instant it had seemed interesting to him to start it. Eric On Jan 22, 2022, at 4:19 PM, Steve Smith wrote: On 1/22/22 2:10 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: trigram analysis of my writing might well be dominated by that signature… Nah, it’s the forward slash

Re: [FRIAM] Communication guides for the elderly

2022-01-22 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/22/22 2:10 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: trigram analysis of my writing might well be dominated by that signature… Nah, it’s the forward slash, marking logical or among literals. good catch, I experience it as a lack of commitment to a specific term/concept/example... wanting the reader

Re: [FRIAM] Yeeah Coin Miners made it hard to get parts

2022-01-22 Thread Steve Smith
Welcome to the Singularity! Paralleling Technological Singularity and Buddhist Enlightenment: https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/before-and-after-enlightenment A version of the above that really stuck to me included the phrase:     "the only difference between after enlightenment and

Re: [FRIAM] Yeeah Coin Miners made it hard to get parts

2022-01-22 Thread Steve Smith
Welcome to the Singularity! How do we even measure the derivatives of the change in multiple/compounded domains (like computational hardware/software/applications crossed with terrestrial/air/space transportation which can be decomposed into yet other critical technologies (power

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexico Rivers and Navigable Servitude [was: One of many things the country is fucked on]

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Smith
I've been dropping notes (poems) in a bottle in the Rio Grande for decades now... I suppose if I offered them for sale to down-river folks, that would suffice (even one single annual sale?) Cody, wanna buy a poem in a Bulliet Rye bottle?   It is up to you to wait at the banks of the Rio

Re: [FRIAM] NOW IS: Oh, Woe, Academia! WAS: gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-14 Thread Steve Smith
glen wrote: The non-disjoint distinction between scholar and academic is useful for me. I'm neither. And watching my scholarly and academic friends do their jobs can be fascinating. The academics spend a huge amount of time raising funds, writing proposals, playing psychologist with

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-14 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/13/22 5:48 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Anyway, the reason I noticed this article is that I posit that the steely harm reduction approach that was discussed recently is in my mind a form of stoicism.   Can one put away their emotional responses and make hard choices based on the greater

Re: [FRIAM] want to understand consciousness? sign yourself up!

2022-01-11 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/11/22 10:59 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: http://www.kernel.com a little more my speed: https://hackaday.com/2022/01/07/psylink-an-open-source-neural-interface-for-non-invasive-emg/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??

2022-01-10 Thread Steve Smith
I say "buy low and sell high"... On 1/10/22 4:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: So it went down over 20% today.  Should have shorted it.  A lot of my stocks have gone up 30% more or less in the last year--like AAPL.  I wonder if I should sell them short or just sell them.  Advice? --- Frank C.

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-10 Thread Steve Smith
tation. If it's plastic at all, its trajectory is at least chaotic, not amenable to reverse engineering. But, as Jochen points out, we're much less likely to engage in every speculation we could because it's such a sensitive topic. Thanks for all the ideas. On 1/9/22 08:30, Steve Smith wr

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-09 Thread Steve Smith
A couple of things as yet not obviously (to me) introduced into this discussion: 1) Survival of the Fittest might better be Legacy Survival of the Fittest.  Evolution depends on successful *reproduction* and in fact, a string of successful reproductions. I have a number of childless

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/7/22 11:14 AM, glen wrote: Thanks for that validation. I think SteveS' conception is rooted in the US' typical puritanical approach to everything. I admit I'm ignorant of the history of HR. But my sense is that non-US regions have a richer cultural approach to handling drugs. Even China,

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Smith
(to me anyway) that this was set in what WJW referred too as the ABQ-Flagstaff Strip, a Strip City in the near future not unlike the Ft-Collins-Pueblo Urban Strip that was already emerging in 1986. On 1/7/22 09:10, Steve Smith wrote: On 1/7/22 7:01 AM, glen wrote: .. And perhaps it's a ma

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Smith
nd said that about a homeless person on the street in a time and circumstance when I was able to recognize the "grace" in what he was saying. - Steve On 1/6/22 09:41, Steve Smith wrote: Your use of Gaze worked for me, but I also understand Marcus' reaction to it.  I'm sure others would as w

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Smith
nts "democracies", all in the same vague class, with all the different voting protocols, representation methods, local -> national hierarchy, etc., what can the word really even mean? It's just too vague to hold the water implied by "all the other one's we've tried". On 1

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Just a nod here to your clarity of thought and expression... Your use of Gaze worked for me, but I also understand Marcus' reaction to it.  I'm sure others would as well...  Gaze as you intended it and  the rest of us received it is naturally a multi-spectral phenomenon... some of us

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-05 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/5/22 4:49 PM, glen wrote: That's a good point. It reminds me of the fake-it-till-you-make-it backlash we see surrounding the downfall of Holmes, or maybe the short-sightedness of basing a corporation's worth on quarterly earnings or stock prices ... or even just until your *exit*,

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-05 Thread Steve Smith
I suppose it depends on the question.  Is the question where to place resources to tip the balance of power, esp. for the senate?   It's starting to feel like COVID.   They are around, everywhere...  I kind of wonder what would happen if there were a second Jan 6th where they were put down

Re: [FRIAM] Roger Mcnamee !!??

2022-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
I am coming late to this thread/discussion which is probably for the best, not diving in prematurely. I appreciate your (NST) bringing the thread back to your original question, not that the myriad braided channels of the thread are not useful and interesting. I think it is an interesting

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of the intolerant

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Smith
On 12/13/21 2:24 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: Maybe we should work harder to adopt *their* shared state, rather than coercing them to adopt ours? I could start by finding ways to internalize them better?   I *do* enjoy my avocado toast (toasted everything bagels actually) and am practicing

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of the intolerant

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Smith
nces, separation of church and state, etc.  seemed to start out just a tad more sophisticated but a little gaming over a couple of centuries has collapsed it back to (nearly) a simple push and pull on singular axes. On 12/13/21 10:36 AM, Steve Smith wrote: Thanks for the link to this sp

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of the intolerant

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Smith
Thanks for the link to this specific treatment of intolerance. In my youth, I was known to claim: "I am tolerant of everything except intolerance" which of course was at best aspirational and more likely just plain delusional. While it applies well and obviously to the "culture wars" somewhat

Re: [FRIAM] So who needs math?

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Smith
 Great turn of phrase "to stupify an argument" Exactly. Fake news is designed to inflame, not to inform. The use of 'woke' and 'racism' here stupify the arguments. On December 12, 2021 11:08:00 AM PST, Angel Edward wrote: Having graduated from one of NYC’s special high schools,

Re: [FRIAM] arg!

2021-12-11 Thread Steve Smith
On 12/11/21 9:54 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Guys, wake up!   The mask controversy is just a distraction from the birds. Birds Aren’t Real, or Are They? Inside a Gen Z Conspiracy Theory. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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