Re: [FRIAM] What makes you who you are?

I dunno... there are plenty of times I feel hunger and am neither preparing to eat, nor do I prepare to eat because I'm hungry.   Other times, I might find myself eating out of social obligation, idle boredom, habit.    I'm not claiming that hunger and eating are unrelated, but I find it a bit

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

of evolved virii. > > And that's not even the most rate-confounding case given microbiomes and > such. I'm just really really curious what gives y'all such confidence that > DNA evolution is so separate from higher (or lower) forms and why you think > you understand the r

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

I accept (embrace) that the larger human enterprise that includes our myriad social/political/economic/technological systems is the element that is "evolving" and that practices such as Engineering "evolve" in that context. I believe that the rate of evolution in the social/political and NOW

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

On 4/25/21 10:47 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > Pieter said: > >> /"Humans will no longer evolve."/ >> >> I agree humans will no longer evolve by natural selection. Not that >> I'm predicting anything, but how can anybody say with any kind of >> confi

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

Pieter said: > /"Humans will no longer evolve."/ > > I agree humans will no longer evolve by natural selection. Not that > I'm predicting anything, but how can anybody say with any kind of > confidence that humans will not evolve by gene editing in the future? I take your point, but insist that

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

Poor families' children were malnutritioned and died more > easily from many types of illnesses. I'd love to find numbers to see > if this is true or false. I did a quick google search and found nothing. > > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 21:43, Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

y-cloning-sheep-anniversary/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/21/human-reproductive-cloning-curious-incident-of-the-dog-in-the-night-time/ my kids are too much like me already, we can barely get along as it is! > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 20:32, Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

DaveW - I think the eugenics movement(s) of the last century as well as the many clan structures in indigenous peoples and royal bloodlines throughout history have been structured with the aspiration of either inducing genetic drift in a desired direction, or (in the case of clan structures and

Re: [FRIAM] the Big (Bright) Green Lie

organic garden instead.   I don’t at any level want to be a > luddite.   No, anything else.  Let’s shoot for underground > cities on Mars, reprogram the genes of children to be able to > endure heat, etc.   > >   > > *From:* Friam &

Re: [FRIAM] thermodynamics of gambling demons

ental program with environmental noise imposed > on it. > > -- rec -- > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 2:29 PM Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > programming/problem domain aside, what a "blast from the past" > with (mostly?) deprec

Re: [FRIAM] the Big (Bright) Green Lie

he movie after she > read the book.   > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:28 PM Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > Merle - > > I don't know how much traction you will get amongst this group of > radical technophiles (self sometimes includ

[FRIAM] the Big (Bright) Green Lie

Merle - I don't know how much traction you will get amongst this group of radical technophiles (self sometimes included).   Unfortunately I think that is one of the most effective modes of those promoting the Big (Green) Lie (appealing to technophilic/technoutopic sentiments for "full speed

Re: [FRIAM] thermodynamics of gambling demons

cam8.pdf > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 8:26 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] thermodynamics of gambling demons > > > On 4/23/21 7:20 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: >> https://jou

Re: [FRIAM] thermodynamics of gambling demons

On 4/23/21 7:20 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.126.080603 > > > If the demon "decides" to quit while it's ahead, it "wins", and the > entropy of the universe decreases. >

Re: [FRIAM] types of knowledge

Let them drink Cottage Cheese Lattes! On 4/22/21 1:45 PM, jon zingale wrote: > You should go to school, Frank. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

On 4/21/21 10:51 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > That's an excellent point that plays well to Pieter's mention of allowing > poor people to access desalinated water, Dave's mention of the myth of the > objective, and our discussion of free will. These > trajectories-willfull-paths-attractors-whatever

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

I believe that Merle's challenge to us to find/create/accept more generative dialog is furthered by this narrative about optimism/pessimism.  I also think this topic of (mostly) technological innovation (some socio-economic-political) is a good place for some purchase on the topic of the

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

> >> Capitalists plan to make huge profits by recycling.  >> https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/ One of the other things I look at when I question the motives of a new "corporate entity" is their chosen State of Incorporation.   Nevada and New Jersey are acutely

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

On 4/19/21 10:09 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > Capitalists plan to make huge profits by recycling.  > https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/ Redwood certainly has a slick website... I can't tell what they are actually *doing*... as websites (and brochures) go,

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

In the spirit of generative dialog, I offer a few bits: Some feel that the Red Queen is winning, in spite of the paradox of that logic: Abundance  - Steven Kotler (former local associate of this group).  His arc of point-making includes a lot of

[FRIAM] Generative Dialog and Cascading Bifurcations

Merle - If this motley crue (self-included) *could* be induced/lead/seduced into generating generative dialog, even on "what generative dialog is and how to generate it", I'd be impressed. If *we* could, I would also be more hopeful for humanity's collective vector in the phase space (x*,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum

> I thought Merle was simply mirroring Eric's argument that a reliance on > innovation is fragile. That point seems right to me. Innovation is fragile *and* tech-optimism can be a runaway cycle.   I have not tried to do an analysis but my intuition gestures in the direction that *most* if not

Re: [FRIAM] murder offsets

https://www.coindesk.com/crypto-is-booming-in-economically-challenged-argentina Technically *coins are as "fiat" as government currencies, having nothing backing them.   Bitcoin has a defined max # of 21M for what *that* is worth.   Fiat +/- ?   I think our previous discussion (that fizzled?) on

Re: [FRIAM] murder offsets

I don't endorse POW (proof of work) cryptocurrency and barely POS(proof of statke).   Really what I might endorse is the underlying distributed ledger and potential for Smart Contracts...   However- this is an interesting example of less than fully egregious bitcoin mining contexts:

Re: [FRIAM] Effigification

elf how you'd feel if a group of people got together > to burn your effigy? Would you react with fear? Anger? Accuse them of being > stupid savages? Or perhaps wonder if you've done something seriously > criticizable but provided the criticizers no refined way of criticizing? > >

[FRIAM] Effigification

uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > ... it's a lot of work to do that inferring and the subsequent error > correction in straw-steel-etc effigification Damn, that is a great well packed phrase with a word *I* might have conjured in the absence of any better one! I knew right away (I think) what you meant by

Re: [FRIAM] lockdowns

EricC, et al- I really appreciate your elaborate analysis of this (general) phenomenon.   I suspect this last year, the myriad governmental (and NGO) responses around the world will provide a *wealth* of data for Forensic Epidmiologists.   Not picking on DaveW particularly, I found it incredibly

Re: [FRIAM] MultiFactorAuthentication--YIKES!

backpack with me everywhere).   - Steve On 4/6/21 11:35 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Maybe this will help? > > https://www.howtogeek.com/129014/how-to-use-google-authenticator-and-other-two-factor-authentication-apps-without-a-smartphone/ > > On 4/6/21 10:27 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >&g

Re: [FRIAM] MultiFactorAuthentication--YIKES!

> Hi, All, I apologize for this blast.  Clark University (through which > I get a lot of my mail) is moving to MFA and seems to insist that I > have a smart phone to activate it.  Please use the google address if > you want to email me.  Don’t forget the “2”. > Nick - Are you sure it requires a

Re: [FRIAM] Hybrid cars

exported waste/pollution and constant expansion into new frontiers to exploit?  Which is why I acknowledge that my Volt, when charged from the grid is "a coal burner". - Steve >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 7:35 AM > *To:

Re: [FRIAM] Hybrid cars

is an interesting battery company.  They’ve gone > public but they have no product yet!     > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 2:29 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation > >   >

Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation

uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ - I've been watching for an "affordable" early generation Zero for some time... unfortunately the tech evolves so fast by the time I call one "affordable" the specs (mostly range) looks really lame to me (100 miles is the new 40).   A few years ago I slapped a $200 hub motor on my 30

[FRIAM] Hybrid-unto-electric vehicles

Marcus wrote: > I have just a small Hybrid CMax now that gets about 45mph instead of > my old Hybrid Escape that got about 30mph.   But the next will be all > electric! > >   > > P.S. QuantumScape is an interesting battery company.  They’ve gone > public but they have no product yet!    > The

Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation

ough fusion processes might get around that problem.  More tech is always the most obvious answer to the failings/exacerbations of the last round of tech.  Maybe Iron-Man class of miniaturization?                      Deliberately misquoting Pogo - "I have met the enemy and they is the Red Q

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Marcus - > > I think the least plausible of these is the think-yourself-happy > approach.   If it always worked, that would be Free Will.  Mind over > matter. > This is quite familiar to my own operational logic.   I tend toward trick-yourself-happy with things like "I can always procrastinate

Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation

Marcus  wrote: > That was Glen.   (My explanation is just that we have limited short > term memory and can’t tolerate any other representation than terribly > compressed forms.   So it is hard to gain confidence in simulations > because we can’t get them entirely in our heads, nor prove them >

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Glen, et al - As is my wont, I cannot help but notice a bifurcation opportunity in this "free will" narrative back toward collective awareness/action.   Can an *individual* (entirely a delusion of course, but we have beat that horsehide drum) be induced to *behaving as if* they have no free

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Glen  wrote: > Until we can measure the analog (robot/computer) in the same way we can > measure the referent (people), e.g. by asking them whether they feel they > have free will, we'll be comparing apples to oranges. And I believe this folds us back into the discussion about Dancing Robots.   

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

's irrelevant anyway. What's more relevant are the > conversing chatbots we wrote for an art instillation in Norway. They were > trained up as different personalities working in a mill, designed to both > have conversations with each other *and* answer questions from visiting > children

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy into the Atlantic

s for furlongs to offer for the experience.   On the other hand, I would have just managed to help "pave over the planet faster"..  who knew that my own (business) incompetence would turn out to be my greatest (human) asset? BTW... the grapes were sour (Aesop reference). - Souze >

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

retty easy, I think.   At > least they are obvious to me.    Also noteworthy is that there are > classes of subconversations that I think just has to do with > demographics.  For example, remember the late XYZ. > >   > > I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM.  I wonder i

[FRIAM] Chevaline! Was: Dancing Robots

gt; > >   > > https://www.themarlincompany.com/blog-articles/more-robots-workplace/ > <https://www.themarlincompany.com/blog-articles/more-robots-workplace/> > >   > > https://youtu.be/JGNopwFcz3A <https://youtu.be/JGNopwFcz3A> > >

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

t I think just has to do with > demographics.  For example, remember the late XYZ. > >   > > I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM.  I wonder if > he’d settle for a finite state machine?    If it all worked out, > though, I’d have to find a replacement  procrastinat

Re: [FRIAM] Dancing Robots

The "dancing" robots certainly are compelling to view, though I can see why Gary asked if it was real or memorex (CGI)... there was enough uncanny valley going on in their moves to make it clear that they were following a prescribed choreography.   The miniscule detail in the dance moves is what I

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

ry than though". Your ABMs could be rather revealing and perhaps therefore entertaining... > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic > &

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

Dave West wrote: > Pieter quoted: /"the brain is a physical system like any other, and we > have no more will to operate it in a particular way than we will our > heart to beat"./ > > *But we do have the ability, and can "will" our heart to beat in a > particular way.* > > Not only that, we (at

Re: [FRIAM] Tragedy of the Commons & Free Riders

of the judge. If I remember > right, nobody's sure of the contradiction Goedel had in mind. > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_Loophole > > > > On April 1, 2021 3:24:51 PM PDT, Steve Smith wrote: >> Glen et al - >> >> I'm probably completely o

Re: [FRIAM] Tragedy of the Commons & Free Riders

Glen et al - I'm probably completely out of my depth (again) here. > Eric's idea of engineering individuals to fit some prior conception of > 'tragic', defeats the individual liberty purpose. The purpose of liberty is > to explore the state space, including all the tiny cracks, including

Re: [FRIAM] CryptoCoins go mainstream

Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] CryptoCoins go mainstream > >   > > The calculations on the energy use and servers that will need to be > built  have been done, and we can be assured that > cybercurrencies worldwide will hasten the collapse much quicker.  I > say, "B

[FRIAM] CryptoCoins go mainstream

house today! Boomer:  "doh?"   "I dunno what you just said, but at least I got the Vax <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hekDuCBxCc>! Nya Nya Nya!"  - Sieve > > On 3/30/21 11:25 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> Dave, Glen, et (gun-toting) alia - &

Re: [FRIAM] is "assault rifle" a red herring?

Dave, Glen, et (gun-toting) alia - > When I bought the pistol, 1969, I could get armor piercing, black talon, > heavy grain, light grain, different gauge shot shells, flares, and a grenade > launcher (bullet with screw in top that took a rod to which the grenade was > attached). Best friend

Re: [FRIAM] is "assault rifle" a red herring?

Frank wrote: > I got my first .22 when I was eight. A .22 varmit-gun/plinker was pretty standard issue to pre-teens in my time too, though my more "progressive" parents started me with a classic Daisy spring-BB followed by a .22 caliber air rifle.  Either could blind someone and the latter might

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

f you who don't live with those loud shouting matches erupting in your head/heart. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:47 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

tual infinite, perhaps there's only a > small number of forcing cultures and we'd *have* to fly out to Sirius in > order to get out of those overwhelming flows. > > On 3/29/21 12:27 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I think I *share* the sentiment you present here, though through other >

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

and the work is to derive the individual. It isn't be the other way > around. > > On 3/29/21 11:55 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> Is your own refutation of "the individual" the personal experience you >> have, or an intellectual abstraction to which you perhaps aspire to

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

I think you characterize this well: glen> Yes, therein lies the rub, the ever-present dissonance between objectives at one scale and objectives at another scale. I (like to believe that I) live in a multi-scale multi-verse, meaning that when I "try real hard" or "meditate very effectively" I can

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

/glen sed: > Well, again, if you claim the NIH "didn't work", then the burden's on you to > say what "work" means. It would be reasonable to claim that the NIH's purpose > is to save US lives. (I don't think that's true. But it would be reasonable > to say such a thing.) And since so many died

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

Jon - Thanks for the introduction to the podcast creator:  plastic pills..  I appreciate the style of his analysis (up to Glen's "Be afraid, be very afraid!")...  I may not be steeped enough in the PostModernists to be tired of their "know it all style".  Or maybe more correctly, now that they've

Re: [FRIAM] WAS Friday Fodder IS NOW: dangly bits

> "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snark Inconceivable! > > On 3/23/21 1:39 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I in the theme of DaveW's observations about whole-part evolution tension,

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Norms of Thread Bending

Nick - I took your "don't bend my thread!" admonition as mostly good natured ribbing of yourself and all of us for our feral thread hygiene here. And I (as is common) took it as an invitation to try to tie the whole (set of) thread(s) into a Gordian Knot (the last image in my reply was supposed

Re: [FRIAM] WAS Friday Fodder IS NOW: dangly bits

> “Tangential”  would seem to  understate the case.  Please reply here > if you want to talk about Arnold’s dangly bitsl  Please please do not > gum up a perfectly good conversation about spandrels.  > > Thanks, > >   > > Nick >

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

At the risk (with the awareness of?) being pedantic: My working definition of Wealth is that it is accumulated or stored Value which just begs the question of "what is Value?" There are a few reasons that Fiat Currency is a common measure of Value and Wealth (e.g. GDP, personal Wealth/Income,

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

> Celebrities are the new gods. We love to see them get into trouble, fight > amongst themselves, do gloriously super-human feats, manipulate their poor > servants into depravity, etc. And THIS season we get to borrow the  British Royalty. I think of our Celebrities as our proxy for Royalty

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

Glen - > Ooops! My semantic pedantic comment was aimed at EricC, not Merle. 8^D Eric's > always going off about whether we're arguing about the meaning of words like > some sort of aggressive Wittgenstein. I think it would be useful to consider all intelligentsia icons with a variety of moods.  

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

I think Merle's request for us to start with "what is wealth?" before we go on to "what is it for" was not pedantic... it rather reflected that likelihood that we don't all share the same idea of what wealth is, even at the broadest scale.  I also think they are inextricably tied. I admit to

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

In the vernacular of Confidence (wo)men,  there is the short game and the long game.  And then there is the arc of one's career which is not necessarily a piecewise linear composition of con after con after con.   Sure... with a finite number of hours in a day, and days in a life the number of

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

be pretty silly to assert that impacted wisdom teeth were > adaptive, even though they likely resulted from natural selection > through the same pressures that led to noses. > >   > > Now, the problem with the "nose" example is that, given the variation > in noses

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

evolutionary psychologists should be very > cautious about asserting that common traits are adaptive. Even things > you can show to have resulted from selection (rather than genetic > drift or other processes) could still be mere byproducts of the > intersection of other adaptive 

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

> Steve,  > Yes exactly! Humans were not selected "for noses." Humans were (the > argument goes) selected for shorter jaws. The "protruding" nose is > what you end up with after selection shrinks the jaw. So, if you > notice that humans have noses, and you jump straight to asking "Why > did

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

Nick - Not to beat a dead Spandrel, but the nose example doesn't wash with me.   In many familiar animals, the nose is perched on the end of a snout, and it was the snout that was deprecated in us to the point that the nostril-holes with various adaptive properties (downward facing to keep rain

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

correction (arches/domes *vs spandrels*) are duals > > If we accept that contrivance or one like it, then the two types of > elements (arches/domes) are duals.  > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6

[FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

Tangenting off of the Great Man discussion, I would like to solicit a discussion on  "What is Wealth for".  I believe we have attended to this on the side many times (I remember a vFriam where it was declared that "Billionaires are Assholes, but Millionaires aren't (necessarily)"?   Each of our

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

glen - > OK. But a) I don't think there was any snark in the caricatures. Your > perception of it is, I think, an instance of imputation ... aspects of your > model being attributed to the words. But, more importantly, b) Yes, of course > it's caricature. That's the point. I don't need to

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

Well said Jon... the pop/collective celebre as poem or gestural (ala sumi-e) drawing. Regarding these "seductions", having archetypical figures to identify with/aspire towards, they can also be cautionary.   I'm sure there are many (esp. young LIbertarians) who aspire to be Musk. I don't know

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

> What is the quote "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"? >8^D > > Dave's post held zero resentment, as far as I can tell. Maybe Steve resents. I was reporting on my own experience/introspection of/on/with resentment, yes.   I was also noting that such lists are compressed caricatures.   I

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

While I find the great (wo)man theory fundamentally problematic, I don't think criticisms like this list which reduce those who might be held up as such to diminished caricatures of themselves much more than snark.   There is a big (overwhelming) component of ego involved in these people's

[FRIAM] Antikythera

Is the antikythera anything "more than" a highly elaborated Orrery  ?   I suppose the most egregious conflation for me is between map/model and "computer" in the sense of a device capable of universal computation.  Orreries are elaborate maps (in the cartographic sense) of the grosser features of

Re: [FRIAM] civil war(s)

of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in > southeastern Nevada <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada>. > > > Just another note on the hazards of acronyms.  Especially with erratic > memories involved. > > -- rec -- > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:28 PM Steve

Re: [FRIAM] civil war(s)

Not speaking for Nick, *I* think politics (vs statesmanship) are at the very *least* _rhetorical_.   I believe rhetoric often includes direct deceit.  A great deal of politics in the US today (maybe forever) is acutely deceitful, even when it isn't attack-oriented.  One party is significantly

Re: [FRIAM] essentialism

REC - The phrase "you can't bullshit a bullshitter" always struck me as yet another phrase bullshitters use to soften you up to their bullshit. I do like your assertion that it might be a new kind of intelligence test. > > This fits nicely into this other study via hackernews on the essence > of

Re: [FRIAM] knowing

Glen - Good response to Dave's points, I'm not likely to add anything but noise by trying to add anything. > [⛧] I'm trying to decide if I want to stop using "plebe" and start using > "prole" ... so many lovely words. I vote for prole(etarian) on the basis that it references the

Re: [FRIAM] Subjective experience & free will

Jon - I like the practical nihilism (as I read it) in your reply.   There is something deflating (of the ego?) about honestly contemplating/answering these kinds of questions I think.  Deflating ~= Freeing? I was most recently confronted via Ted Chiang's short story in his recent collection

Re: [FRIAM] Score one for Wokeism!

Whack-a-Mole vs Frogger? On 3/5/21 11:06 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > I can't believe that. The act of flattening is a natural part of the > dynamics. What you (and Marcus) are equating is the act of flattening with a > system-wide tendency to flatten *everything*. By saying the flattening is > good,

Re: [FRIAM] Ramsey a pragmatist mathmatician?

Jon - I'm not entirely sure of the timing, FrankW may have some input on this, but I believe that Erdos visited Berkeley many times during some of PK Dick's most fecund/fetid years...   this makes me wonder if they sat on curb on Telegraph sharing a bottle of MD-2020 now and then, swapping ideas

Re: [FRIAM] what is math?

REC - I particularly appreciated the second paragraph riff on "what is mathematics".  Out of the dozen(s) of statements, I couldn't find any I patently disagreed with, though some felt more meaningful/relevant than others. Even more perhaps, I appreciate your characterization of our

Re: [FRIAM] interactive media bias chart

Great find!   I admit to being taken by this chart when I first found it, simply (or most notably?) because I was so hungry for it. I appreciate the analysis in the linked article, but I attribute a lot of the use(full-less)ness of the chart to it's significant dimension reduction, and the

[FRIAM] Octavia Butler's prophetic voice

Octavia Butler died abruptly 15 years ago with only two books of her multipart "Parable" (or more commonly Earthseed) series completed.   She was an incredibly deep and perceptive thinker about social issues across many domains (authoritarian movements, social justice, climate change, etc.) which

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

Perhaps there is more "blag" than "slag" in this forum? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blag > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slagging%20off > > Mind you, in Australia, I don't think it necessarily means behind your > back, it can be in front of you too.

Re: [FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

Jon - > "there must be some asymmetry in valuation to *drive the engine*." > > Perhaps, but must such a valuation be scalar-valued, orderable, or even > comparable? Agreed...   > The exchange of things seems sorting-algorithm-like but overall > more shuffling-algorithm-like. I think that the

Re: [FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

I do think some commonality is required... the "rules of the exchanges" are a shared language, albeit with a very restricted lexicon.  I also think that the relative valuation of trade-goods is a key...  there must be some asymmetry in valuation to "drive the engine"...  else there is no exchange

Re: [FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

I contend that such a market (any market really, but this one more acutely I think) must have room for a rich commons to be healthy. From: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/commons-beyond-market-vs-state-dilemma/ /The commons try to situate themselves outside the subject-object

Re: [FRIAM] metaphor

I celebrated my 64th birthday yesterday... at least two friends sent me references to these two events and claimed they had arranged them as a gift.   I didn't need anyone to die, but watching such a symbol of Trump's repeated failures coming down in a cloud of dust was quite satisfying.   On

Re: [FRIAM] infrastructure and faux-diversity

" behavior you mentioned > was an accidental increase in load with which the traditional energy sources > couldn't keep up ... less about bumping up the thermostat for a buffer and > more about simple demand. > > It would be interesting to see a dynamic graph of the load/demand. > >

Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

> Aha, Nick!  You have Curried the function! > > Having Ham and Eggs is a function. > > Having Ham and Eggs given Having Eggs is a Curried function, which now > turns on whether you have ham or not as its one argument. > > Just to cause trouble, I do love my green curried eggs and spam! and even

Re: [FRIAM] Conditional Association and the "natural order"

I have someone  in my life who worked/lived in Chile during Pinochet's rule, and in fact the company (big copper) he worked for was in fact exploiting in the most American style  eventually the largest, most voracious/egregious of mining companies bought his company up and it only took about 5

Re: [FRIAM] 12 Life Lessons From Mathematician and Philosopher Gian-Carlo Rota

*What You Missed That Day You Were Absent From Fourth Grade* Brad Aaron Modlin ** ... /The English lesson was that "//I am"//is a complete sentence./ /.../ redacted/elided for brevity, I was reminded of

Re: [FRIAM] The Hidden Spring: A Journey to the Source of Consciousness by Mark Solms

excruciatingly good material in this review of Solms' book... and by extension the book itself. I also very much appreciate Glen's offering of the phrase "multivalent compression of interoceptive composites", as dense and indirect as this read on first blush, a careful unpacking of that phrase

Re: [FRIAM] ethical dilemma

Official poster of The Grange The two lower-left corner vignettes almost slipped by me:   in particular the "fleece you all" On 2/5/21 1:42 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Steve writes: > >   > > < The Patrons of Husbandry, or the Grange, was founded in 1867 to > advance methods of agriculture,

Re: [FRIAM] ethical dilemma

Dave - I'm glad you elaborated.   My trivial "shunt" answers to stop me from turning your "dilemma" into a "multilemma" of arbitrarily large proportions might be: "it is only a moral dilemma for someone who is immoral" another simple showstopper might be: "if you judge anyone else who

Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...

Some of us, we are just a few syllables short of a haiku On 2/5/21 9:09 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Gosh.  We’re all pretty good at this.  N > >   > >   > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >

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