Re: [FRIAM] Gentleman's Club

"clubbable" as in "baby seal"?   Frank wrote: > You are eminently clubbable wrt Friam, Jon. > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam unsubscribe

[FRIAM] Fwd: the role of intuition/inspiration in Science

In support of one of my earlier rambles about the source and value/nature of intuition: I submit this blog-entry on the Pirsig's reflections on the nature of "Truth" in science and subliminal/subconscious sources of intuition and inspiration and even analysis.   "Zen and the Art of Science"

Re: [FRIAM] Wisconsin stay-at-home (safer at home) order overturned

ontinues the ordered closure of all salons and spas.  > > * Continues the closure of every restaurant and bar except for > take-out or delivery service.  > > * Orders religious groups to limit gatherings to "fewer than > 10 people in a room" including

[FRIAM] Pirsig's reflections on "Mu"

I just read Pirsig's (in "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" reflections on the Japanese concept of "Mu" and thought of at least a half-dozen of our threads here...   https://www.awakin.org/read/view.php?tid=583 I'm wondering if Carl (Tollander) is listening here and might offer his own

[FRIAM] Wisconsin stay-at-home (safer at home) order overturned

Friammers - Mary's daughter, who lives in Wisconsin alerted us to the big court-decision overturning the governor's stay-at-home order:

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

On 5/13/20 9:52 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Experiment with a modern implementation of generative adversarial > networks for a while and I think you’ll begin to feel less smug about > the superiority of first principles – sort of like a craft of Colonial > Williamsburg.    Computer, just get me

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

some quads are not...  think boomarang-like... I think there is a technical term for that class of quad... also think if a "bowtie", also technically a quad but potentially having "negative area". On 5/13/20 9:13 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > And quadralaterals aren’t convex?  I don’t

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

Edward Angel wrote: > Look at Donna Cox’s site at > NCSA http://avl.ncsa.illinois.edu/who-we-are/team/donna-cox-director > > She’s been doing tornado simulations for over 15 years. We worked with > her to put the simulation in planetarium dome. It’s much more > impressive when you put the viewer

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

Frank Wimberly wrote: > It's appendages all the way up. Shades of Kafka... When this pandemic began to ramp up, I started experiencing that idiom "waiting for the other shoe to fall", but in this case it was with a Centipede. Appendages all the way up/down/sideways for sure! .-. .- -. -..

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

Frank - > I was just outside sawing up dead branches.  I noticed a large ant > struggling to carry a piece of vegetation larger than it was over > obstacles in a general direction which did not change notwithstanding > the obstacles.  It was very hard not to feel the ant's intentionality > and

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

Glen - > Sorry if my tone seems sarcastic. It's not meant that way. I was asking because it seemed to have that tone, but I also know you to be pretty literal, so appreciate this clarity (as below as well). > I literally couldn't care what word is used. And I'd prefer we use a word > with

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

Glen, ( Nick, Eric ) - > EricC introduced the word "visible". I'm fine with it. Y'all can use whatever > word you choose. Iggitybiggity would be just as fine. My choice is "hidden". I'm not sure why you need to suggest (sarcastically?) that the choice of words don't matter (if that is what you

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

glen - I try to resist sticking my fat foot (face, keyboard?) into these discussions.   A few weeks back at the beginning of this (or perhaps a precursor to this) thread, I felt as if you and Nick (and maybe Eric?) were having an exchange almost indistinguishable (in form, not detail) from the

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Dave - > The COVID-19 pandemic will end, at least in the US, by mid-June, 2020. Ignoring the "bait" that I (and others) took earlier, I'll try to respond to the singular prediction above: What means "end"?   What is a specific statistic that you believe to indicate that the pandemic has ended?

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Glen - > Aha! Excellent point! That viruses are parasites might be a critical issue, > though. What do viruses really do for us? It's less a matter of whether they > feel pain and more about parasitism. I hesitate to google "ethics of > parasitism". .. and now we tangent to mutualistic,

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

On 5/12/20 10:10 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Ha! Well, these analogies do break down. So "precisely the same way" doesn't > really work. For example, I think you'd be hard pressed to say that the costs > associated with obesity are "precisely the same" as the costs associated with > cleaning your

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

use they were safer) I was buying my own (mildly underpowered) motorcycle and possibly becomeing a much more aware/safe driver in the process and definitely NOT risking other's lives nearly as acutely as the first-year drivers on testosterone driving a buick with the muffler's cut out.   > >

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Dave - > You noted,/"I simply can't read this as a "simple observation / > prediction"... I believe it is laced with judgements and > assumptions... some I agree with and some which I find either > questionable in substance or in intent, but all worth inspecting."/ > > Nevertheless, that is

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Gary - Thanks for the additional context.   I wonder who else we have here from significantly non US contexts.   We just heard from Pietro and do hear from Jochen and the two? Aussies off and on, I'm sure we have lurkers from many more places (I think Mohammed El-Betagay (Cairo/Stockholm) left

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Gary - I'd find it interesting and informative if not directly actionable to know more about how things are there in Ecuador. I'm surprised that you are as far from groceries as 50 miles?  I was thinking you were living closer to a major city (Quito?) but nevertheless semi-rural?   Are there no

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Dave - > The COVID-19 pandemic will end, at least in the US, by mid-June, 2020. > > This assertion is premised on making a distinction between the biological and > the perceptual. > > The virus is not going away, a vaccine may or may not be found and made > widely available, and treatments that

Re: [FRIAM] U.S. Space Force

> With the decreasing costs of SpaceX launches, how could they not do > this > ? > Musk probably is and will use it to break up any riots (or strikes?) outside his PetaFactories.. >

Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times

; >   > > Our fondness for blinky lights, bells and whistles, pornographic > evocation of our love for *metaphor* will only mislead us. Data first, > metaphor second (or better yet, never). > >   > > On 5/8/20 8:03 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > > Very interesting

Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times

> I disagree, of course. >8^D I think dividing out population and area are a > misguiding distraction. The simple slopes are better. As we've discussed ad > nauseum, these "normalizers" are *also* models. And all models are always > wrong. So, for every derivation, you're stacking wrongness

Re: [FRIAM] Tonight We Riot!

Glen - > https://tonightweriot.com/ >> tonight we riot is a revolutionary crowd brawler about worker liberation and >> lobbing molotovs at mech suits & crazy bosses! I have always been fascinated (a bit morbidly) with the tension between "sublimating" angry/reactive/violent/revolutionary

Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times

Glen - Very interesting view on these three counties...  numbers normalized to population count and population density are a "good start"! The question of what a good "mixing model" is for different geopolitical demographics is fascinating.   It seems like McKinley/Gallup is on one end of the

Re: [FRIAM] Meanwhile, back on the troll farms

"I love/hate it when a metaphor comes together!" (visualize George Peppard muttering this around a fat stogie) >> On May 7, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Steven A Smith > <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Nick - >> >> I doubt I can d

Re: [FRIAM] Meanwhile, back on the troll farms

Nick - I doubt I can do justice to this for you, but will give a try. The idea(l) behind open-source is two-fold:   1. develop a "commons" of re-useable resources to be shared by all.   This concept really took off with the introduction of Linus Thorvald's Adaptation of BSD Unix to

Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times

owever, I *would* like to > divide out area (e.g. square meters) of whatever region's being > plotted. I think Δcases/m^2 would be interesting. > > On 5/6/20 2:49 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Doesn’t

Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times

On 5/6/20 1:54 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > My  brother lives in Dahlonega, Lumpkin County, Georgia.  The map > Georgia map surprises me Atlanta is not a hotspot.  Atlanta dominates > the population of the State.  Southwest Georgia has a much higher > concentration.  Georgia, unlike Pennsylvania,

Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times

Nick - https://rt.live/  helps to illustrate some of Rachel's hair-on-fire.   NOT because the absolute numbers are (or will be) outrageous, but because the *rates* are high.    Take a look at the states who have R0 > 1.0 ... all midwest-plains.   If you have a small town with 0 cases, it is

Re: [FRIAM] green swans

Dave - Thanks for the reference (and promise of a book report?). I take the meaning of "black swan" to be something more easily recognized in hindsight, but once recognized, seeming to be obvious, but also having a profound effect on the course of events. I think this is identical to a

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

wn musings and reminiscings that *my* memories can vary from time to time (and from an objective observation like a microphone or camera capturing those aspects of a situation). > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > San

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

On 5/5/20 3:04 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Dammit, Nick.  I can and frequently do spend hours planning, > remembering, composing emails, fantasizing about my next car, etc  > without exhibiting any remarkable behavior beyond eyeblinking, > touching my face (don't!), crossing and uncrossing my

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a > highschool student asked me what the /hard problem/ is I would > say:  There appears to be no limit to how competent computers > can be.  They seem to be able to do just about anything that &g

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

tail recursion?  Waddya think? > > Frank > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just > self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not?   Why do I feel

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

08 PM >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>> mailto:friam@redfish.com>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve >>> >>> >>>   >>> >>> Maybe I missed som

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

Cody - > I think that ranked choice is the best bet to escape from the horrible > two party system. That being said there is not much insentive for the > GOP or the DNC to adopt what could be enable competition.  My friend > Greg once said both parties are basically just advertising firms, and > I

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not?   Why do I feel like I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"?   I guess that would make me more of an allegorist? > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might want to >

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

glen - > https://rankit.vote/ > thanks for bringing the topic up again.   I know you have made (mildly? obliquely?) disparaging comments about ranked-choice voting before.   Rather than my trying to summarize (or impute) your real intention, maybe you could comment on how you think ranked choice

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Eric - > I would put up this one as a constructive reply to your link below, > not to counter but to add alongside: > https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/the-power-of-community-how-cuba-survived-peak-oil-2006/ > I am pretty sure I have posted this to the list in the past, but it > remains a

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Gary - Watching now... but THIS rant was Eric's not mine... mine was previous and more rambly! - Steve > Great rant/stream of consciousness as usual, Steve! Has anyone watched > this five minute video yet? A bit utopian, but maybe not... > https://vimeo.com/411278238 > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

boys out into the field?  And nobody got anyone pregnant while on the road?   Or just Hooker's Legionaires?    Hmmm curious. > > davew > > > On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> >> Dave - >> >>> I once taught an honors course, with

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

On 5/2/20 8:36 PM, Prof David West wrote: > Major investors lose little — certainly as a percentage of wealth — > because they have the super-high speed systems and insider status to > ameliorate their loses. As always, it is the smaller investor that > cannot trade in milliseconds, but in

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Nick - I contemplate this question regularly.   "What means 'the economy' ?"  The way it is bandied about in the public media and among most circles I listen to, it is this big hairball of exchange of goods and services facilitated by "money", both in the form of currency and credit.    Yet it is

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Dave - > I once taught an honors course, with Father Smith at St. Thomas on the > Anthropology and Theology of War. One of the prime forces behind war — > since prehistory — had been nothing more than birth control. Do you meant literally *birth* and *control*, or rather *population* and

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Nick - > Nice thought, but I would have to ride on the bumper.  > >   > > What a time! > FWIW... you have referenced your own choice of clique-formation as a "pod" which I believe exclusively? describes the second level of whale (at least Orca) social organization.   (matriline -> pod -> clan

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

> Acceleration can be a changing, non-constant function of time.  The > change is necessarily continuous.  Want to go for a ride? Quick, before anyone else inserts the bad pun...   "what a jerk!" .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

On 4/30/20 1:41 PM, Prof David West wrote: > > Steve likes to sign off with "mumble" I'll stop with > > babble Touche'...     bumble .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn

Re: [FRIAM] narcissism

Glen, et al - > As for Trump, I've *already* said that his narcissism interferes with his > competence. I said that explicitly. I've even said it more than once. But it > seems irrelevant to how we compensate for the situation we're in. I don't > think I said *independent*. I'm sorry if I did.

Re: [FRIAM] narcissism

> Waco > https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/waco/s01 I declined to respond to Glen's originating post on this topic until I had more time/background.   We finally watched the limited series the last two nights and it brought back a lot of memories of that era to both Mary and myself.   We had the

Re: [FRIAM] narcissism

I believe that this article (or a very similar one) was posted here a couple of years ago: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/14/the-most-narcissistic-u-s-presidents/ /These researchers also found that, on average, presidents are more narcissistic than the average American.

[FRIAM] Fwd: Freedom: Sarte v Camus

Interesting contrast between two P(p)hilosophers (and friends) on the topic of Freedom... a little dated but maybe good background on contemplating our current paradox of "what means Freedom?" ‘Absolute freedom is the right of the strongest to dominate,’ Camus wrote, while ‘absolute

Re: [FRIAM] New information on COVID-19

I guess the lead might be long enough,  but probably needs a different calibration. > Is that a rectal thermometer? > > Cody Smith > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:16 PM Steven A Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > sew one into your mask with a

Re: [FRIAM] New information on COVID-19

ere is > one, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/15271 . > > > > Cody Smith > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:39 PM Steven A Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > Merle, et al - > > Interesting article... > >> We’ve

Re: [FRIAM] New information on COVID-19

Merle, et al - Interesting article... > We’ve had two life-threatening incidents, one trekking in Nepal and > the other in a remote part of Sri Lanka, where the availability of a > pulse oximeter made all the difference. We now routinely check our > oxygenation with one. > > Ed I have had some

Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund

On 4/22/20 3:29 PM, Edward Angel wrote: > Nick, > > I have no problem with anyone wanting to support their local barista. > Please remember also that the Food Bank really needs funds. > > I do have a problem with your view of the 60’s. Those young folks you > remember were almost 100% white

Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund

glen - I definitely didn't intend to *invert* your intention... I *did* understand (roughly) that it is arrogant to believe that *I* can engineer a better altruism than say Red Cross or Habitat for Humanity or the Social Welfare apparatus of my city/state/national/UN efforts. But I think your

Re: [FRIAM] Earth School

Glen - Good find...  I wonder what the Flat-Earthers and the Creationists version of this would look like?   I have forwarded it to my daughter who has an 8 year old and a 10 year old step (daughters)...   it feels like great "bite size" self-directed investigations of merit for that age-group!

Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund

noticed what they are doing and is aware of what has > happened to them.  > >   > > Thanks, > >   > > Nick > >   > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnic

Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund

Nick - Thanks for the link.  Ohori's is not my goto, but I'm 100% with the spirit.  I have had no traction on trying to extend this kind of help TO my regular go-tos.   I am of a mind that at the very least, my weekly *tip* budget could go straight into the same pockets it used to with no harm to

Re: [FRIAM] COVID19 R(t) for each state over time.

It seems like estimating/tracking R(t) is key to re-opening (LIBERATE!) strategies. > This just in via Josh Thorpe. > > I've been wondering if anyone had a methodology for calculating the > COVID19 R /Replication Number./ > > https://rt.live/ > > apparently adapted from our own (LANL) Luis

[FRIAM] COVID19 R(t) for each state over time.

This just in via Josh Thorpe. I've been wondering if anyone had a methodology for calculating the COVID19 R /Replication Number./ https://rt.live/ apparently adapted from our own (LANL) Luis Bettencourt's work on H5N1 using a Bayesian approach

Re: [FRIAM] IS: "...useful". WAS:: whackadoodles go mainstream!

> So, Peirce had many ideas of Peirce and we could be in love with different > ones. "Pierce is who you think Pierce thinks he is?" > > > Do you have time to distinguish between your idea of Pierce and My idea of > Peirce as regards the digestion of metal ducks? > > I am realizing the

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

Glen - > You can't *objectively* tell. That's the whole point. I guess my assumption is that in principle I *can* tell objectively but this level of propaganda (if that is what it is) is crafted to be *difficult* but not impossible. > But what you can do is check your impressions against those

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

d by Schneier: > > https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/08/influence_opera.html > > On 4/20/20 11:49 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> Do you have a more elaborate analysis of what you think they are up to?  .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

> The worst conspiracy theory I've seen is this TL;DR, which uses TL;DR as a > *weapon* to blind the audience with "science": > > https://project-evidence.github.io/ > https://github.com/Project-Evidence/project-evidence.github.io > > I'd be curious if anyone in this forum prioritizes that

Re: [FRIAM] basis for prediction — forked from the tail end of anthropological observtions

ine somehow and how you would prevent the > discussion from prematurely settling on a variation of the current > general political discussion instead of fully exploring alternatives — > I have no clue. > > davew > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Steven A Smith wro

Re: [FRIAM] Judea Pearl: Book of Why

arcus... yes, GATTACA didn't (apparently) anticipate CRISPR Trans/Posthumanist Utopias have a strong flavor of  Dystopia for me...   Eloi & Morlocks > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> >> Marcus - >> >> >> >> I believe t

Re: [FRIAM] Tripping on the Rye: She's a Witch! How do you know? . (Re: basis for prediction — forked from the tail end of anthropological observtions)

SG - > I was completely ignorant of the history/impacts of ergot >  before this thread. Fascinating! so now you have added (upped the game of) "ergot" to your argot! Language of thieves?!     https://grammarist.com/usage/argot-vs-ergot/ It might be notable

Re: [FRIAM] Judea Pearl: Book of Why

ral sample was deep sequenced.  > > Marcus > -------- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith > > *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2020 10:11 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Judea Pearl: Book of Why >   > >> One way

Re: [FRIAM] basis for prediction — forked from the tail end of anthropological observtions

Nick - > > The thunder lightening thing is both apt and strange, because of > course nothing is possible between lightning and thunder EXCEPT that > it is going to thunder.  CF living in SFO or Seattle.  You've seen the > lightening, folks!  "One banana, two bananas.three bananas > ….." 

Re: [FRIAM] Judea Pearl: Book of Why

> One way to address the N/A issue is to repeatedly perturb the real-world > system so as to elicit those correlations. When that is practical.. We are, in a time of real-world system perturbation, right now.  The whole world is responding to what is *roughly* the same virus with *roughly*

[FRIAM] TL;DR

Glen - I very much appreciate your balance in this regard.  I did not (and likely Marcus did not either) interpret your frustration with parsing my (overly) layered response to your Necker-Cube post as judgement of TL;DR unless the "L" was for "Layered" not "Long".   I also appreciate your

Re: [FRIAM] basis for prediction — forked from the tail end of anthropological observtions

ons," etc. > > A while back I spoke of the Bellamy Clubs as a social / civic/ > phenomenon focused on a "constructive way forward." Something of that > sort would be required to instantiate your optimism. > > davew > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, at 7:14 AM, Steven

[FRIAM] Phaedrus and Theimania

FriAM- As long as I am being arbitrarily prolific (manic?) I feel compelled to reference the *other* book I'm more than halfway through.  It is likely to be familiar to many here.  "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" - Robert Pirsig.  I read this when I was young and it was fresh and

Re: [FRIAM] Judea Pearl: Book of Why

ext step (forward and backward propogating data and constraints as they are recorded/discovered/postulated) across space (populations) and time. More offline maybe? - Steve > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505 6

Re: [FRIAM] basis for prediction — forked from the tail end of anthropological observtions

Dave, et al - These are fecund times.   The time between the lightning and the thunder - "when all things are possible".  Or maybe, if you have a more apocalyptic bent, the beginning of the "end of times".   William Gibson's "Jackpot" perhaps (to be more ambiguous).  I think Churchill tried on

[FRIAM] Judea Pearl: Book of Why

    zoology." -- Stanislaw Ulam - Steve (176) >> Unfortunately, after a couple of attempts to read it, I couldn't understand >> anything in your post except this part. My previous post was just under 300 >> words. So, I decided to try to make the next one under that mark as

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

> Unfortunately, after a couple of attempts to read it, I couldn't understand > anything in your post except this part. My previous post was just under 300 > words. So, I decided to try to make the next one under that mark as well. > > On 4/18/20 1:22 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

Eric - > Cranky Nick, you really need to join a church. I think Nick's church IS this mail-list/congregation... and he (reluctantly) stands-in as a lay-preacher, though I think he spends more time trying to recruit others to that role.   It functions a bit like a UU church in some ways (a lot of

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

ay > he *imputes* his conceptual structure into Nate's work is through > the sloppy use of metaphor. Then when Nate tells Nick (indirectly) > that Nick's wrong about what Nate's done, Nick rejects Nate's > objection. > > I'm

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

This list/thread(s) has been so prolific and pithy of late, I can hardly begin to respond to one thing before another (dozen shiny objects) catches my eye. ☣ ƃlǝu (reads like "blau"?) thus wroteth: > Now Marcus is just being sadistic. >8^D > > My own guess at a summary of Eric's stance is that

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

metaphor of cross-fire) to help illuminate the balance of power on the battlefield (there I go again!  Almost as if I were trolling?). - Steve > > On 4/18/20 6:14 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> But frankly as often as not, I saw >> them use our work to *justify* the decision they

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

Glen - Your diatribe reminds me of the way I used to frame my (rare) pitches in DC back during my time working in the "Decision Support Systems" division at  LANL.   I started out with "I'm here to help you NOT make a decision".   This appalled them, becuase "by golly, by gosh, they were Decision

Re: [FRIAM] The Role of Philosophy in Physics

roblem" perhaps with the exception of the AI...   at least as long as AI without embodiment is even sensible? - Steve > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

Frank - > I may have mentioned this before but physicists, chemists, engineers > etc. rarely talk about philosophy of science.  Social scientists, > particularly.psychologists, do much more.  Some mathematicians do > because they believe they are dealing with God. My undergrad career in Physics

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

Glen - I appreciate the very clear and positive (albeit blunt) way you framed Dave's post, hopefully allowing the rest of us (including Dave) to continue the conversations implied in a positive and coherence-seeking manner.  I think Dave's rant referenced a number of important issues worth

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

Jochen - Can you describe more about how your idea of "hidden genes" contrasts and compares to Dawkin's "memes"? Glen (I think) has questioned the term (meme) in the past, but I don't think we ever discussed the point here?  I don't know if his argument was more against Dawkins, against the use

[FRIAM] Science in the time of COVID19

More evidence of the "soft assemblage" or "mashup" of complex organisms from simpler ones? https://www.jneurosci.org/content/20/11/3993.short https://getpocket.com/explore/item/all-your-memories-are-stored-by-one-weird-ancient-molecule?utm_source=pocket-newtab .-. .- -. -.. --- --

Re: [FRIAM] Complexity and Climate from IAS/Amsterdam via SFI

> Roland Kupers of IAS/UofAmsterdam > > SFI Presentation > > https://youtu.be/uee-9Sd6WMw > > Sorry for Link Mismatch here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uee-9Sd6WMw > >

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [NICAR-L] AP/Johns Hopkins COVID-19 data

I think there are two issues...  what your risk of becoming infected and what is your contribution to the larger risk of infecting others.  The first is linear with the number of people you encounter, the percentage of the population currently infected and the amount of de-coupling your various

Re: [FRIAM] RedState/BlueState OneState/TwoState

Glen - I appreciate the gist of your thinking here...  I suppose the overarching nature of my own is toward the *diversity* of the federated subunits yielding a broader search-strategy for optimal (satisficing?) response-strategies.   The net result is sub-optimal in terms of minimizing suffering

[FRIAM] Complexity and Climate from IAS/Amsterdam via SFI

As we stagger under *just one* of our /Endogenous Existential Threats/, the/Overarching Jackpot of Climate Crisis/ continues... Roland Kupers of IAS/UofAmsterdam SFI Presentation https://youtu.be/uee-9Sd6WMw Book

Re: [FRIAM] RedState/BlueState OneState/TwoState

sing sparks into the next unburned patch... > >   > > Nick > >   > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/n

Re: [FRIAM] RedState/BlueState OneState/TwoState

to think different, and therefore I am interested in the fact > that you seem to disagree with me on this point.  > >   > >   > > Nick > >   > >   > >   > >   > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Cla

Re: [FRIAM] RedState/BlueState OneState/TwoState

>> and, if so, “At what level of social distancing do we have to >> maintain in order to make sure that a program of testing, vigorous >> contact tracing and isolation is assured?” >> > I would claim that the *quality* of social distancing is very > important...  but those "qualities" haven't

Re: [FRIAM] SFI virtual workshop: After the Wave

SG I found Meyers' talks from the Fall which preceded (presaged?) this and thought you had just linked those!  I'm glad to see our "big siblings on the hill" are on this with full attention. Did anyone else watch this 2 hour presentation?  I'm working my way through it now in the background. SS

Re: [FRIAM] Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

even though you are set up with the calculating spreadsheet, you might just surf in on this one? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m2u81yTLS4aDSVxw0iqa0K59goP10HcAAkRSrNuoJjQ/edit#gid=0 On 4/4/20 5:57 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Phellow Phriammers, particularly the local

[FRIAM] SIR+HD model in JavaScript + Herd Immunity question.

I'm sure many have seen this... if not scroll to the bottom for the JS model (you can download/inspect/modify the code if you like)...   It doesn't stop at SIR but adds H(ospitalization) and D(eath)...   and is parameterized with sliders.    

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