Re: [FRIAM] KRACK

Awesome contribution! On October 21, 2017 2:26:51 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >I recently heard from a friend who achieved a very transient and >unexpected contact with a US Antartica Science team member via a 1W >handheld DMR RX/TX device.   Anecdotally, they field about

Re: [FRIAM] KRACK

Ha! That reminds me of the fact that gmane no longer archives this list. (And even the mailman archives have been down for awhile.) So now's the time to speak freely because your words are less likely to be used against you later. 8^) I can't help but wonder how the notorious lack of security

Re: [FRIAM] KRACK

Yeah. They've built with a patch for ddwrt, too. Supposedly here: http://svn.dd-wrt.com/changeset/33525 But it's still fun to think about. On October 20, 2017 5:00:38 PM PDT, Roger Critchlow wrote: >The OpenWRT/LEDE open source images for compatible routers got updated >a >few

Re: [FRIAM] Truth: “Hunh! What is it good for? Absolutely Nothing!”

Well, Peirce's work in modal logics demonstrates his methodological pluralism. So it seems to me he would agree with Dave to a large extent. Nick seems to focus on Peirce's metaphysics, of which I'm largely ignorant. But it seems like Peirce's distinction between reality and existence might

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

There is no such thing as enlightened self interest. Enlightenment is (well, includes anyway) the realization that "self" is an illusion. Moreover, it's a willful illusion, one we can consciously manipulate. So, I agree with your basic idea that we can manipulate our sense of self. But I think

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

it could also be framed in terms of inclusive fitness theory or that ideas > framed in terms of inclusive fitness theory had ever proven to be useful. On September 10, 2017 2:42:09 PM PDT, "gepr ⛧" <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >On September 10, 201

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

On September 10, 2017 12:28:41 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >it is built into us as humans/mammals/vertebrates/life-itself to be >self-centered, to look after our own personal well-being before we look to >that of others.   Our tribal/clan dunbar-number-scale affinities

Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

Well, I didn't intend them to be analogs so much as 3 examples of short-sighted failures to invest in infrastructure. The point being that an investment in building codes isn't that much different from an investment in sane zoning or watershed management. We (Oregon included) often sacrifice

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

But none of this seems to indicate that *selection* or survival to mating age *creates* the new attribute. Survival to mating age only preserves whatever phenotype was constructed by the genes and ontogeny. Whether you call genes and ontogeny random or not is irrelevant. We could easily call it

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

On August 13, 2017 11:38:07 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >I suspect neural correlates rapidly calibrate to networks with similar >behavior & topology across individuals sharing a _grounded_ task, >whether it is hunting a Buffalo or writing a song. But crazy ain't

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

On August 13, 2017 4:39:47 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >Every day I form hypotheses about how I think this or that experiment >or code modification will go, and often I have to confront contrary >evidence. I would say I have a pretty fast turnover of ideas. I doubt

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

Ha! You see? That's not even wrong. 8^) But it's more plausible than asserting that my ideas are mutated and crossed over from ... yours ... or Szasz' ... or my mom's, for example. On August 13, 2017 11:22:21 AM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >You are a typical

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

Well like I said in response to Frank's suggestion about self psychology, I tend towards a Szaszian perspective on talk therapy and psychology. But even that constellation of ideas, I think, has more structural truth to it than memetics. Of course my ignorance may be getting in my way here. So

Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence

FWIW, I tend to use stochastic to mean a process with a collection of variables, some of which are (pseudo) randomly set and some of which are not. A "random process" would imply a process where either all the variables are random OR where the randomly set variables are dominant. A process can

Re: [FRIAM] the self

Ha! We bald people clearly have a stronger sense of self than hairy people. On August 8, 2017 6:06:12 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Gasp. Loss of _hair_? _Who_ would say such a thing? -- ⛧glen⛧ FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

But the difference isn't merely rhetorical. If we take the setup seriously, that the unmarried patient really doesn't know the other names by which his condition is known, then there are all sorts of different side effects that might obtain. E.g. if the doctor tells him he's a bachelor, he

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

On June 20, 2017 8:16:57 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: > >I dunno. I never quite know what Glen is on about. But I tended to >read his response in terms of his cancer. He is saying, “I am >comforted by knowing that I am not the only man with cancer.” If I >were

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

On June 20, 2017 6:14:49 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: > >[NST==>I assume you would agree that “unmarried because unmarried” is >perniciously circular. Right? Just checking. <==nst] Vapid, yes. Shallow, yes. Perhaps even vicious. But it's a little too empty,

Re: [FRIAM] now it all makes sense

Ha! You win that round hands down. On June 16, 2017 11:56:13 AM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Glen writes: > >"The authentically intelligent and well intentioned become tools for >the gamers/defectors. In the end, it's that _faith_ in human nature, >social or evolutionary

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

I agree with Steve that lamina is biased with the assumption of continuous flow. Discrete aggreagation like coral deposition or FACS based cell by cell deposition would not be evoked by the term lamina. As an aside, although (serial) diffusion limited aggregation is often used to model coral

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

and mollusk shell formation. Though they don't really interact, they are deposited kinda like spray paint. Coral deposition might also work well as a canonical example. On June 9, 2017 9:20:37 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >"strata in geology have *some* precedent

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

Yes, absolutely! The arguments about the ambiguity of terms like complex, model, layer, and the capitalization of words in programming languages fall squarely in the ontologies domain. And that means they fall under graph and network theory, though I think "labelled transition systems" might be

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

I'm not entirely sure to be honest. But I know they must contain cycles. So DAGs are inadequate, hence my revulsion at the word "level". On June 9, 2017 12:37:39 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >Glen - > >At the risk of boring the rest of the crowd silly, I'd be interested in >

Re: [FRIAM] semiotics, again?

Excellent ideas! Thanks. On June 5, 2017 8:01:43 PM PDT, Carl Tollander wrote: >Seems like Kanji would qualify as such an exploration. See >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji particularly where they talk about >different "readings". (also see

Re: [FRIAM] Get ready for Blockchain

Yes, exactly! One person's dystopia is another's utopia. On June 5, 2017 9:24:38 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >Glen - > >And now you sound a little like Kurt Vonnegut's satire: Harrison >Bergeron > >/In the year 2081,

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Excellent typology, Eric. 1) Memory, 2) doorways, 3) autonomous, 4) model, 5) control system, and 6) agency. It seems 1-2 are about the boundary. 3 is the closure. 4-5 are proto-semantic, separating what a thing is from what it means. And 6 is the mechanism for ambiguity (symbols, switches,

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Ruminations from the M.I. S. WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

I think this is the key. Any project requires a driver of some sort, even if they're merely a facilitator. It's banal work to summarize, collate, etc a collaborative paper. No secretary implies no artifact. I used to participate in collaborative fiction chain letters, where each receiver

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

I've struggled to understand your point here. Are you saying that, eg, a phase diagram of a device like a refrigerator, with ice in the freezer part, jello in the fridge part, and coolant in the compressor: 1. violates a definition of 'space', 2. cannot exist, 3. reduces to a common, atomic,

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Heh, truth in advertising! On May 26, 2017 5:11:25 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >My app that reads emails aloud, as they arrive, says "a new email has >arrived from Glen biohazard". I finally see why. -- ⛧glen⛧

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Well, that seems to be the question Russ is asking. It would be more difficult to answer 'no' if we left off the symbolic part. Then we could argue about the closures, if they exist, of things like vortices and such. On May 25, 2017 5:09:38 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

On May 18, 2017 8:13:07 PM PDT, Owen Densmore wrote: > >So here's a group question or two: >- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why? It's useful for discovering and rsvping to events. That's it though. I have no use for anything else it does. If more people used

[FRIAM] truth is sillier than fiction

Rejection Letter http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2017/05/rejection-letter.html > And a mild-mannered British computer security expert who is on his week off > gets home from lunch with a friend, checks a work website (implausible! He's > on holiday!), sees something odd, and kills

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

And as always I'm tremendously grateful for all my friends, who are immeasurably smarter than me, for their tolerance of my nonsensical attempts to navigate reality. On May 5, 2017 12:02:15 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Glen writes: > >< If a listener abstracts their

Re: [FRIAM] the arc of socioeconomics, personal and public: was VPN server

Although I really like and agree with Nick's answer, his is a little dense. So I'll try for something more pedestrian. Your math concepts are the result of many iterations between the measurement of marks on paper and the evolving concepts in your physiology. From your first sight of some math

Re: [FRIAM] Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

Along those lines but sticking with the fractals, it would be important to distinguish the reconstruction of the instrument from that of the melody. I assume the self similarity Nick is talking about would still be present even if we render the melody in MIDI. It's not clear to me, are the

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Rhetoric in scientific arguments WAS: FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

Well, OK. However, you already know that anything anyone ever says is and can only be from their perspective. Anyone who asserts to speak on behalf of all the authoritative experts in some field for all time is, then, a narcissist or confused. That implies that what you say below supports

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

Heh, I shoulda known you wouldn't let that slide. You're right. But any introvert that wants to contribute and the only way to contribute is to get past the vapid (but very real) barriers must be capable of establishing that thin similarity _before_ dialing it back and refining the

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

Heh, very nice! Yes, it used to be the case that the computational task was too great, which lead some to throw up their hands and just get high. But as Marcus pointed out earlier in the thread, we have new tech that might stand a chance. And why shouldn't neoliberals have the chance to evolve

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

No worries. The thing is, though, with cancer and pneumonia we do have well evidenced, reproducible, mechanistic hypotheses. That makes those hypotheses way more robust and trustworthy than personality disorders. So while there may be some deeply embedded circular reasoning in any diagnosis,

Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

Naa. As the essay argues, Thiel's ilk trusts that those people are more like cattle. Big families keep the labor pool stocked and keep plenty of fresh blood available for the vampires' life-extending transfusions. There's no need for universal healthcare because we only need the human

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

Ha! Excellent. All we need is a way to continually measure the neural correlates to psychopathy and stick the devices to a 2-arm cohort. -- ⛧ glen On May 11, 2016 6:08 PM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote: > > If an apophany is arises from abnormal overfitting of environmental

Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

This article seems relevant: http://evonomics.com/how-to-legally-own-another-person/ What he's describing as "employable" seems akin (though antithetic) to the concept of "taboo". The one element that doesn't mesh is the responsibility/accountability that accompanies freedom. The risks associated

Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

It seems to me that authoritarianism can be fostered without an organismic authority (like a king or priest class). Isn't the "rule of law" or a constitution intended to objectify the authority? If that's the case, then the psychological manipulation from things like religion or capital punishment

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

FWIW, I'm very interested in your responses, being an ex-libertarian with both marxist and observationalist friends. On Dec 28, 2015 1:35 PM, "Patrick Reilly" wrote: > > I'm mainly worried that my educational session with Nick is boring everyone else.

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

On Dec 28, 2015 6:51 PM, "Nick Thompson" wrote: > > I guess I think that observationalists wouldn't be able to find their home from a party after dark, let alone discover anything new or interesting for the rest of us. No compasses. No maps. Ha! Yeah, as compared to

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

On Jul 23, 2015 8:03 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: And I imagined a portmanteau neologism for the verb describing the action of co-optition Those words are way too big for me! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

Re: [FRIAM] a week on just linux...

I recommend Ghostery. On Jul 17, 2015 12:52 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Questions: I'm not particularly familiar with chromium, and not maried to it as a browser iether. I didn't see where it might have somethlike addblock. I ask because websites I might typically go to

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

On Jul 6, 2015 7:29 PM, Marcus Daniels mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: Usually the best way to develop a motor skill, or a particular kind of fitness, is to do that thing. That's not strictly true. While it's true that you can't get good at some skill without doing it, it's also true that doing

Re: [FRIAM] A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

On Jun 29, 2015 7:08 PM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So, Glen. Are you fur it or agin it? I don't see any reason to be against it. Why? Are you against it? https://evolution-institute.org/project/society-for-the-study-of-cultural-evolution/ A New Society for the Study

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

No, not dark. In fact it's liberating! On Jun 27, 2015 12:36 PM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Glen wrote No. I think the bulk of non-zero sum gains are a result of co-evolution of competing scrutiny, the exploitation of niches the players stumbled upon together. I.e.

Re: [FRIAM] Syncing between devices...why? [was Android Choice]

I think it derives from extended physiology. There is a spectrum on which we all fall between internal - external. Those of us whose lives are invested externally have/make lots of stuff. Those of us invested internally have/make a minimum of stuff. Interesting orthogonal axes are make vs