Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Nick, This is bizarre! Fiction is a potential method in scientific psychology. I cannot, for the life of me parse it. Is it equivalent to saying: Fiction is a potential method in scientific physics.? Granted that science fiction has broadly anticipated many things that are now part of scientific

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie It's hypothetical reasoning. Re-read the IF statements. Robert C On 10/18/10 7:54 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote: Nick, This is bizarre! Fiction is a potential method in scientific psychology. I cannot, for the life of me parse it. Is it equivalent to saying: Fiction

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread Miles Parker
On Oct 18, 2010, at 6:54 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote: Nick, I hope you are not arguing that cutting edge sci-fi writers should get endowed chairs in physics on the basis of their scientific accomplishments! Actually, I think it is only *bad* fiction writers that get the endowed chairs. ;D

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert J. Cordingley *Sent:* Monday, October 18, 2010 8:14 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie It's hypothetical reasoning. Re-read the IF statements. Robert C

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread glen e. p. ropella
I took it to mean that: a) scientific knowledge is the only authentic knowledge, b) _if_ there is is knowledge in fiction, then it is scientific knowledge (by definition), and most importantly, c) if we fail to devise any falsifiable hypotheses from fiction, then we've demonstrated there is no

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie Perhaps what I am hearing you say Nick

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
- From: Nikita A. Kharlamov [mailto:nkharla...@clarku.edu] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:29 PM To: ERIC P. CHARLES Cc: Nicholas Thompson; kitc...@lists.clarku.edu; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re[2]: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie Eric! I think you are being too harsh

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-18 Thread Carl Tollander
:* Monday, October 18, 2010 2:15 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie Perhaps what I am hearing you say Nick is that by writing fiction (and studying it) we can uncover something meaningful about the author's mental makeup. Just as some

[FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-17 Thread plissaman
  A’propos Ten Best Texts as fiction.   I’m sure no one at Friam holds to the techno-barbarian view that nothing valuable can be gained from fiction.   In my opinion the important human values can be illuminated only by fiction.   After all, the King James Bible (1611) is about the best

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-17 Thread Steve Smith
Peter - Well said... and in a single short paragraph with a single eloquent quote... - Steve A’propos Ten Best Texts as fiction. I’m sure no one at Friam holds to the techno-barbarian view that nothing valuable can be gained from fiction. In my opinion the important human values can be

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie (er, and a soupçon of fiction)

2010-10-17 Thread Victoria Hughes
Steve, Peter, et al et cetera- Art is a distillation. Art is a concentrate. Art helps us see the truth without the distractions. Been writing my artist statement for a big museum show (a group of eight of us, I am not alone) next year, and am full of Thought on this topic. So take this as

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie Peter - Well said... and in a single short paragraph with a single eloquent quote... - Steve A’propos Ten Best Texts as fiction. I’m sure no one at Friam holds to the techno-barbarian view that nothing valuable can

Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie

2010-10-17 Thread Victoria Hughes
17, 2010 9:10 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Art is a Lie Peter - Well said... and in a single short paragraph with a single eloquent quote... - Steve A’propos Ten Best Texts as fiction. I’m sure no one at Friam holds to the techno-barbarian