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friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck > Sent: January-31-17 11:35 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source > Software > > You sound much more reasonable than Jacques

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Vladimyr writes: "So today I learned that the KKK were handing out flyers in Canada. I don't believe they can take the cold, so it is probably nonsense. " I've heard this reasoning before! http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-minnesota-too-cold-for-syrian-refugees/article/2576501

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[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck Sent: January-31-17 11:35 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software You sound much more reasonable than Jacques Lacan ever did, Vlad

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You sound much more reasonable than Jacques Lacan ever did, Vladimir. But then I’m told you had to be there. I am sorry for your pain. It shows in your post. It’s righteous pain, altogether justified pain, for we have all been deeply wounded in that place where justice and righteousness abide.

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: January-31-17 4:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software Right, poorly stated. I believe the conversation was tending towards saying elites tend towards globalism. I don't think the rev

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My intention was to try to assert that all globalism is fundamentally based in technology (from planes to batteries to P2P nets). All the global, human interactions you're describing exist because of the various technologies we have facility with. Techies are the elitest of the elite. And

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Right, poorly stated. I believe the conversation was tending towards saying elites tend towards globalism. I don't think the reverse was intended. I actually didn't bring it up but did comment on it. I suspect "elites" as used would mean the ruling class, or more loosely, those well educated and

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That sounds to me like a conditional: > We are global because we are elite. If not-elite then not-global. or: elite or not-global or: not (global and not-elite) If that is meant to be true as an expression in propositional calculus then there is no conversation to be had. A mean,

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I like the analysis lifting the lid on elite relating to global. I'm not sure it goes both ways .. lots of plain folks are global without noticing it. I don't think this sort of elite/global can be turned back. Look at your day and surely you will collect a whole basket full of global

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Heh, your juxtaposition and question are ill-formed, which is why I tried to reach some clarity on what that article in the OP meant. Open source is at least in part a political movement with its own conception of "elites", spawning the various license types and long-running legal battles.

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...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:33 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software Does anyone have an opinion on the OP: Globalism

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Does anyone have an opinion on the OP: Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software .. which really is about that it's too late for populism, nationalism, isolationism to overcome what is already around us? We are far more global than we think we are. ​How many of us are

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is how your letter ended up in my Junk folder. Lucky I found it. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: January-30-17 6:01 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism

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On 01/27/2017 08:34 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > So I cause confusion only because I do not fit into any well established > classification system. I bring this up because my experience in life defies > most systems which you are attempting to tease apart. Well, to be clear, I offered the

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Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software Vladimyr writes: < So I cause confusion only because I do not fit into any well established classification system. I bring this up because my experience in life defies most systems which you are attempting t

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Vladimyr writes: < So I cause confusion only because I do not fit into any well established classification system. I bring this up because my experience in life defies most systems which you are attempting to tease apart. Trump may well be a Narcissist and deluded in some traditional manner.

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inal Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: January-27-17 1:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software OK, maybe. But I think that type, that can

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-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 3:51 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software Right, it's fine for us to be talking about ambiguous concepts... in fact,

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Fe, NM 87505 > > wimber...@gmail.com wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu > Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 3:51 PM > To: The

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ginal Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 3:51 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software Right, it's fine for us to b

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OK. I'm sure everyone's tired of my emails by now (and my sim's almost finished). So this is the last for today. I have to consider what you say below in the context of the "manipulationist" conception of causality. You can't sit in the back fo the class watching and making sense. By

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Right, it's fine for us to be talking about ambiguous concepts... in fact, I'd argue those are the things that need the most discussion. Just for context, since I'm still waiting for my hepatocyte culture simulation to finish, I took this test:

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“Introversion is often caused by grandiose or exhibitionistic impulses.” For me, I would not say it is not self-inhibition, to, say, stay out of trouble. A simple explanation, like dopamine response sounds right.

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edfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 3:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software No. It seemed to me that you quit the conversation. Of course, I can't be sure you got m

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Well, this isn't physics or math so any assertion is ambiguous, complicated and uncertain. But...Introversion is often caused by grandiose or exhibitionistic impulses. Once I saw a TV interview in which Barbra Streisand claimed to be a shy introvert. (That's the correct spelling of her name). To

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No. It seemed to me that you quit the conversation. Of course, I can't be sure you got my last message. But I left off challenging the (especially remote) diagnosis of NPD as purely phenomenological (type 2). And given Nick's idea that recursive explanations are fundamentally different from

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- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 2:38 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software That diversity means that

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Sorry, but Trump is not an introvert. It's true that introversion can be caused by extrovert-like impulses. But Trump is a narcissist. I thought I had sent enough evidence. Frsnk Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 27, 2017 1:43 PM, "gepr" wrote: > Heh, I

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That diversity means that any (given) introvert may well respect the idea that a low-dimensional connection is at least a connection of some sort, allowing them to choose whether or not another person is a member of some class (e.g. "elites") or not. Hence the know-nothings that are

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"Of course that raises the question of whether the introverts really _can_ care about anyone other than themselves." Some introverts seek strong connections to tight network of friends (a preference for actual similarity or well-understood differences), some might look at others fearfully and

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Heh, I shoulda known you wouldn't let that slide. You're right. But any introvert that wants to contribute and the only way to contribute is to get past the vapid (but very real) barriers must be capable of establishing that thin similarity _before_ dialing it back and refining the

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" But I think that type, that can't be "persuaded" [*] based on low-dimensional similarity and familiarity, has very few members. The real problem is establishing the similarity and familiarity." Most any introvert has had the experience of some patronizing know-nothing `help' them out of

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ubject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software It's mostly about people who have money and power. They go together. On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:18 AM, glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: I remain confused by the conc

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Glen writes: < The more work you have to put in to see a return, to understand what's being said/done, the more likely the author/sender is an "elite". > I've gone to talks where I eventually figure-out that the topic is fairly simple, but I didn't know the hash from the list of historical

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It's mostly about people who have money and power. They go together. On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:18 AM, glen ☣ wrote: > > I remain confused by the concept of "elites". Each one of those listed in > the article is "anti-establishment". Is that what "elites" means? And if

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OK, maybe. But I think that type, that can't be "persuaded" [*] based on low-dimensional similarity and familiarity, has very few members. The real problem is establishing the similarity and familiarity. H Clinton was not very good at it. B Clinton was. And even when confronting an

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Marcus wrote: There is type of person that can be persuaded based on low-dimensional similarity and feelings of familiarity. When the Donald complemented his overly long (compensate much?) Red Tie with a Red "gimme cap", it did double duty of covering his embarassing (but surely very

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< Hm. I suppose it's reasonable to further circumscribe "elites" by saying that it simply _cannot_ have a definite referent. When the particular populist sits down with someone like Hillary Clinton to quaff a pint and eat a hot dog, it's likely Clinton will be either removed as a member of

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On 01/27/2017 10:17 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Many Trump voters, e.g. midwest blue collar folks, don't appear to want to > present it as victimhood. They came to expect a standard of living, but it > was no longer sustainable given the evolution of the economy.They want to > believe it

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< The way you describe it, it sounds like "elites" is yet another aspect of "victimhood". In order to be susceptible to the (purposefully vague) rhetoric, you have to feel like a victim. And you might be especially ripe for the rhetoric if you have _not_ already identified your perpetrator.

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OK. Cool. So if we go back to Lakoff's idea that at least part of Trump's appeal is his vague use of language, allowing particular audience members more flexibility in their inferences from what Trump said, then there must be

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< I remain confused by the concept of "elites". > An elite is a symbol for an unknown bad guy. The bad buy exists somewhere at a distance. The elite must have caused me and my kind pain, or ignored me and my pain, because things aren't going well for me.This symbol validates their

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I remain confused by the concept of "elites". Each one of those listed in the article is "anti-establishment". Is that what "elites" means? And if so, then what does "establishment" mean? To be clear, I'm not asking for any one person's opinion of who is or is not "elite" or what defines

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t;> you are taking legal risks. >> >> >> Marcus >> -- >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Owen Densmore < >> o...@backspaces.net> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:10:50 PM >> *To:* Co

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M *To:* Complexity Coffee Group; Wedtech *Subject:* [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software With all our concerns about Trump, and the article on 8 European populist .. 10 if you include US and Brexit https://www.nytimes.com/interactive

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with Bitcoin, but then > you are taking legal risks. > > > Marcus > -- > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Owen Densmore < > o...@backspaces.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:10:50 PM > *To:* Complexity

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egal risks. Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:10:50 PM To: Complexity Coffee Group; Wedtech Subject: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? ..

[FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

With all our concerns about Trump, and the article on 8 European populist .. 10 if you include US and Brexit https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/05/world/europe/populism-in-age-of-trump.html .. I oddly got thinking about "our" kind of globalism: the Friam & WedTech lists, and open