Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-17 Thread Miles Parker
Well, since you asked, though I must ay that my only qualifications in traditional AI is one course in my masters program, so I'm not sure why you'd care.. :) I think the more you look into classic AI, the less impressive it is from an explanatory POV. A lot of it seems to me like a kind of OR

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-16 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
More on non-algorithmic computing from Penrose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Mind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Mind but I don't see how the brain can use quantum mechanics since it's biochemical and operates on a different scale. Has anyone read

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-16 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Penrose's book was an odd fish indeed. I liked the physics. I utterly did not understand what he was talking about when he talked about AI. Neither did anyone else, so far as I heard. I think he had a prejudice against AI, and used this flimflammery to pretend he had scientific reasons for

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-16 Thread Steve Smith
More on non-algorithmic computing from Penrose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Mind I read this when it was published. I was interested because I had a dog (more of a lame coyote) in the fight. I was not very impressed. And subsequent work in the are did not improve the

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-16 Thread Carl Tollander
As long as we're on AI and Math (whenever were we not) , recall that the hard problems in AI are less matters of chess and more those of the first five years of development. Here are some mathematicians discussing same - Interesting to see how the conversation unfolds.got some Category

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-12 Thread James Steiner
Wow. Wish I could get in on that action. ~~James On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Mikhail Gorelkin gorel...@hotmail.com wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/ai-overview.html --Mikhail FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

[FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Mikhail Gorelkin
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/ai-overview.html --Mikhail FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Owen Densmore
The good news here is that Neil Gershenfeld is leading the effort. Very down to earth, lots of street cred, and a mensch besides. One serious problem could be the proof that some languages are not Turing-recognizable. In computer-speak, a language is a set of strings, and any algorithm

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Mikhail Gorelkin
] Rethinking artificial intelligence Quoting Owen Densmore circa 09-12-11 09:58 AM: All this translates to the more simple statement that computers cannot solve all problems. Note: The proof simply shows that the set of all sets of strings (languages) is uncountable, while the set of algorithms

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Most of early AI was heuristics, not algorithms. Some algorithms were incorporated into expert systems, in the belief that if an algorithm could solve the problem, fine; if not, heuristics might. But it was always *might*. True, computers can't solve all problems, neither can humans. P.

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Tom Johnson
Reunion of AI pioneers: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/science/08sail.html?_r=1scp=1sq=markoff%20%22artificial%20intelligence%22st=cse -tj On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Pamela McCorduck pam...@well.com wrote: Most of early AI was heuristics, not algorithms. Some algorithms were

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Didn't it take an algorithm (an Inference Engine) to process the heuristics? Also show me some silicon that doesn't use an algorithm somewhere. So do you suppose the Mind Machine Project is a way to break free of this computing/algorithmic model? Robert C Pamela McCorduck wrote: Most of