Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-16 Thread Phil Henshaw
(Smalltalk web development framework)Check out R. It's got good interpolation and plotting routines, it has a good package for time series analysis, it's free and has a huge user base.http://www.r-project.org/Robert On 9/14/06, Phil Henshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owen types

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: I can only limp along with my live systems data analysis using home made lisp routines on a graphics platform because of the standard grid model of data that seems to be used elsewhere? [..] marvelous! but now I've got all sorts of stuff to transfer to a system I

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-14 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Joshua Thorp wrote: But more often than not, though a billion dollar company may be good at well crafted design process, I would bet they find their best ideas from those who do something for the sake of art as an amateur, or to push forward the frontier of ideas as a scholar. Or they

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-14 Thread Bill Eldridge
Joshua Thorp wrote: On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:17 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: While possible, the idea that university or hobby software can be better than software developed by a multi-billion dollar corporations doesn't jump out as a likely scenario.

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-14 Thread Bill Eldridge
Bill Eldridge wrote: Shrinkwrapped software is a tiny minority these days of the total software pool. Back end business systems are much larger, and one of their prime tasks is B2B and B2C operations to automate sales and distribution, supply chains, information access, customer

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-14 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Joshua Thorp wrote: If you are a multi-billion dollar company why interoperate? Just declare the rest of the market for suckers and dilettantes. Unfortunately for billion dollar companies its turtles all the way down and they struggle mightily just to interoperate with their own

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-14 Thread Owen Densmore
I'd like to get back to the task at hand -- evaluating rapid prototyping environments. Hmm..this leads me to ask the question: Who of us currently uses Smalltalk/Squeak? If so, which implementation? So I presume the answer is nobody is currently using the contender for most

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-14 Thread Phil Henshaw
Owen types: I'd like to get back to the task at hand -- evaluating rapid prototyping environments. ... clip BTW: I'm starting to think answer is that rapid prototyping has splintered into pieces: Excel: great for fast exploration of data R: great for fast statistical evaluation

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-14 Thread Robert Holmes
Check out R. It's got good interpolation and plotting routines, it has a good package for time series analysis, it's free and has a huge user base.http://www.r-project.org/ RobertOn 9/14/06, Phil Henshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owen types: I'd like to get back to the task at hand -- evaluating

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-13 Thread Owen Densmore
Hmm..this leads me to ask the question: Who of us currently uses Smalltalk/Squeak? If so, which implementation? I'd be interested in your experiences. We often talk about rapid prototyping, but we seldom actually do it. But my friends at PARC in the early days, and a couple of

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-13 Thread Bill Eldridge
Owen Densmore wrote: Hmm..this leads me to ask the question: Who of us currently uses Smalltalk/Squeak? If so, which implementation? I'd be interested in your experiences. We often talk about rapid prototyping, but we seldom actually do it. But my friends at PARC in the early

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-13 Thread mgd
Quoting Bill Eldridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alright, I give up - why do fun languages like Python or more fun languages like Squeak get passed over in the market compared to rather annoying languages like Java? How come they haven't been as competitive as say Linux as a server OS platform?

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-13 Thread Owen Densmore
Alright, I give up - why do fun languages like Python or more fun languages like Squeak get passed over in the market compared to rather annoying languages like Java? How come they haven't been as competitive as say Linux as a server OS platform? Why is C++ vs. Java still our fate in

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-13 Thread Owen Densmore
I just found an interesting Python/Self/Squeak sorta blend -- PataPata: http://sourceforge.net/projects/patapata http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=patapata_tkinter1_fSchnell The idea is to build a Python/Jython environment that has the direct manipulation of Self. Sorta nifty. --

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-13 Thread Phil Henshaw
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Eldridge Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:19 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) Owen Densmore wrote: Hmm..this leads me to ask the question: Who of us

Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: There are many fascinating issues here, but I think the two main reasons good stuff gets dumped are that things that work a) usually break rules that make people feel uncomfortable about change, or b) would put investors at a temporary disadvantage competitively, and so get

[FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework)

2006-09-12 Thread Giles Bowkett
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9059529534041031582q=seaside -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,