And my biggest bugaboo with conspiracy theorists... what if your
favorite conspiracy theory is a conspiracy in itself?
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/12/could-israel-be-using-wikileaks-to-prepare-us-for-air-strike-against-iran/
I hate to stir the pot more, but it is a credible question as
On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
...
As usual, nicely thought out and articulated.
For me its simple. I like WikiLeaks and the counter pressure they bring to
bear. Not all corporations, politicians, militaries, labs, and so on are evil,
but lately they've been throwing their
If you want to add your site to the (currently) 507 sites mirroring
WikiLeaks, just follow the instructions here:
http://www.wikileaks.ch/mass-mirror.html
--Doug
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
...
As
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of
Douglas Roberts [d...@parrot-farm.net]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:32 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Scholand, Andrew J ajsc...@sandia.govwrote:
In February 2009 the State Department asked all US missions abroad to list
all installations whose loss could critically affect US national security.
The list includes pipelines, communication and transport hubs.
In a similar vein, where, exactly, is the huge, classified secret regarding
the revelation that blowing up the Ningbo port in south-eastern China will
have a large negative impact on global trade. Or that taking out an
anti-snake venom factory in Australia will have a significant impact on our
We should all be thankful that this exchange is occurring on FRIAM, rather
than on Facebook. Else we would have endangered our job prospects.
I'm not making this up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/04/state-department-to-colum_n_792059.html?view=print
Big Brother is watching. Be afraid,
I propose a beer conversation at cowgirl or second street soon to discuss this.
I hope the beer is not bugged.
BTW: one concern I've had lately is the large number of folks converting to
gmail. What a target for the Feds! And just how much resistance would Google
put up? Can you say Zero?
Well, that's the issue, isn't it? The people in the government justify
secrecy by one standard and then use it for whatever they can get away with,
and you can get away with a lot if no one is ever allowed to see what you've
done. So they claim strenuously that exposing secrets will endanger
Why worry about gmail? Worry about the NSA backdoor that Intel added to the
x86 microcode years ago, until you get tired, then go back to your regularly
scheduled activities.
-- rec --
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
BTW: one concern I've had lately
I can't help but notice that the majority of our hard core FRIAM
pontificators have remained silent on this one. I wonder why: Could it be
that they're not not interested? The topic is not abstract enough? Afraid
that Big Brother will hear them? Weren't aware of WikiLeaks?
Over on another
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From: Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.
I can't help but notice that the majority of our hard core FRIAM
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In my opinion, based on personal observation, the political and economic
system of the United States
nickthomp...@earthlink.net
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' friam@redfish.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.
I like the idea that wikileaks is a CIA plot.
It screeches the mind to a halt. You
The abundance of online discussions about WikiLeaks, has provoked me to
recall a conversation I had with an individual at an 'Internetworking'
meeting at the Carnegie Inst. in DC, in 1992.We met for the first
time, and quickly shared our interest in 'information warfare'. Though
he could
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts,
etc.
Why worry about gmail? Worry about the NSA backdoor that Intel added to the
x86 microcode years ago, until you get tired, then go back to your regularly
scheduled activities.
-- rec --
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:25
Just for the interest, I thought I'd look into how I might do
this. Technically, it'd be very easy - just create an FTP account on
my hosted webservice, and set up the extra domain.
The problem is that they would get me by the terms of service:
Personal accounts are to be used by the primary
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate
Boycotts, etc.
Why worry about gmail? Worry about the NSA backdoor that Intel added to
the x86 microcode years ago, until you get tired, then go back to your
regularly scheduled activities.
-- rec --
On Mon, Dec 6
Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts,
etc.
Why worry about gmail? Worry about the NSA backdoor that Intel added to the
x86 microcode years ago, until you get tired, then go back to your regularly
scheduled activities.
-- rec
The Berkman Center for Internet Society is going to have Larry Lessig and
Jonathan Zittrain moderate a discussion .. see more here: http://goo.gl/VFoV9
Feel free to add a topic to the discussion via the url above .. either as a
comment or on their twitter account listed there.
-- Owen
Roberts wrote:
If you want to add your site to the (currently) 507 sites mirroring
WikiLeaks, just follow the instructions here:
http://www.wikileaks.ch/mass-mirror.html
--Doug
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] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts,
etc.
The Berkman Center for Internet Society is going to have Larry Lessig
and Jonathan Zittrain moderate a discussion .. see more here:
http://goo.gl/VFoV9
Feel free to add a topic to the discussion via the url above .. either
This is an interesting and—IMHO—nicely balanced piece. It's all shades of
grey, man -- R
http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2010/12/wikileaks-and-the-long-haul/
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St.
--Doug
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The Berkman Center for Internet Society is going to have Larry Lessig and
Jonathan Zittrain moderate a discussion .. see more here: http://goo.gl/VFoV9
Feel free to add a topic
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 09:16:03PM -0700, Steve Smith wrote:
On 12/6/10 6:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
Doug: I've asked the Berkman Center to include a risk assessment for our
helping out via the mirroring stunt you posted. Note the mirror list is
growing fast:
Wikileaks is currently
Russell -
I forgot to mention... I've been using Collecta to monitor the real-time
traffic since about 9PM GMT-7 on the topic and have a dozen or so data
points which are roughly linear... I suppose I might have been the
only one tracking at that level...
And when I say linear, I often
On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Robert Holmes wrote:
This is an interesting and—IMHO—nicely balanced piece. It's all shades of
grey, man -- R
http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2010/12/wikileaks-and-the-long-haul/
Hard to argue with Clay's point that a balance of power, with clear and just
laws,
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:55 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts,
etc.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Robert Holmes wrote
Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts,
etc.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Robert Holmes wrote:
This is an interesting and-IMHO-nicely balanced piece. It's all shades
of grey, man -- R
http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2010/12/wikileaks-and-the-long-haul/
Hard to argue with Clay's point
Even me, a sort of radical Anarcho-Libertarian, am left a bit dazed and
confused by the whole WikiLeaks thing.
I'm very much in favor of the general principle of WikiLeaks, though I
can't say I've assessed the implications carefully enough to be a
blind-faith supporter. I hope there will be
Even me, a sort of radical Anarcho-Libertarian, am left a bit dazed and
confused by the whole WikiLeaks thing.
I'm very much in favor of the general principle of WikiLeaks, though I
can't say I've assessed the implications carefully enough to be a
blind-faith supporter. I hope there will be
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