Well, yes that's the next question. I'm not so much 'assuming' it, as
considering one thing at a time. It's the connection between energy
use and CO2, through the uses that economic growth multiplies, that is
why we're talking about them together. The question is how would you
disconnect
]
explorations: www.synapse9.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:01 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] bigger plans, bigger little mistakes
Phil Henshaw wrote:
The question I've been raising, though, is whether achieving a new habit
of improving efficiency is the appropriate change at all.
Even if populations level out and changes in expectations occur within
the various industrialized economies, there will still be large but
From today's FT. Clearly the problem isn't getting China to play along, it's
getting the US to play along.
Robert
Carbon credits market triples to $30bn
By Fiona Harvey in Cologne
Published: May 3 2007 03:00 | Last updated: May 3 2007 03:00
The market in carbon credits grew faster than
Phil Henshaw wrote:
Sure, the technology is needed, but it'll only lower greenhouse gasses
if we end the exponential increase of energy use.
You keep assuming that energy use and net CO2 need to be correlated..
FRIAM Applied
Robert Howard wrote:
... Those that saw the light early have proof that they were
smarter, and are entitled to the bragging rights that they helped make
the world a better place or everyone.
Ah, a gift economy somewhat like the open-source software world.
--
Ray Parks
Phil Henshaw wrote:
Well, as an alternate to the CO2 game solution we could create a virtual
China and pay it the estimated real cost to the earth of China's
products and only pay the real China the price they'd accept.
Then we could use the money (essentially the blood money for
Phoenix, Arizona
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Marcus G. Daniels
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] bigger plans, bigger little mistakes - Electron
Symmetry
Robert Howard wrote:
/MARCUS: “I'm not so sure it really requires everyone's cooperation.”/
My argument was:
Case A: If it DOES require every USA citizen to cooperate, then it
WILL require every other country to cooperate. It’s a “global” issue!
Case B: If it DOES NOT require every
PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Phil Henshaw
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:34 AM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] bigger plans, bigger little mistakes - Electron
Symmetry
There's some humor in this of course... black market money does at least
travel
Robert Howard wrote:
“We have invented a game called Carbon Offsets. But to be effective,
it really requires everyone’s cooperation. Unfortunately, we can’t get
them to play.
What I think is that necessity is the mother of invention. Make some
self-imposed pain to, say, radically reduce the
. Daniels
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] bigger plans, bigger little mistakes -
Electron Symmetry
Robert Howard wrote:
We have invented a game called Carbon Offsets. But to be effective,
it really requires
Phil Henshaw wrote:
I think it overlooks that we have a finite earth and an infinite expectation
for exploiting it.
I don't have those expectations. You are proven wrong!
Going back to the prisoners dilemma, it is hard to know how to
rationally set expectations when the worst defectors of
Robert Howard wrote:
Here are some problems with carbon offsets I never hear in debates:
o Electrons cross both state and country borders. There’s a whole
“futures” industry on buying electricity for speculative market
demand. For example, California in 2000
little mistakes - Electron
Symmetry
Robert Howard wrote:
Here are some problems with carbon offsets I never hear in debates:
o Electrons cross both state and country borders. There’s a whole
“futures” industry on buying electricity for speculative market
demand. For example, California
15 matches
Mail list logo
