Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
What's the big deal about the bibblegonk, that part I figured out - looked it up on ebay and got some at a discount... But then I tried desperately to agitate the mixture, and couldn't find anything to say that it truly found insulting! Again, this conversation about modeling minds is weirdly

Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake ERIC P. CHARLES circa 09/16/2009 08:35 AM: Again, this conversation about modeling minds is weirdly high-end. Even the most trivial understanding of the words in context (e.g., agitate) requires something of a model of the writer. Well, Marcus' point is well taken to the extent that

Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
glen e. p. ropella wrote: I say go ahead and extend the model despite your ignorance, but be vigilant in the caveats that the uncertainty in the extended model is unbounded and your model is totally invalid (invalid in simulation jargon or unsound in logic/philosophy jargon). I'm not denying

Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread Miles Parker
I would put it more strongly and say that it is entirely not subject neutral. I think if we look honestly there is not a single thing that we can drill into that has ultimate reality. I'm not being cute, or deep, or nihilistic, ;) but I really don't think that this is simply a matter of

Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Miles Parker wrote: I think if we look honestly there is not a single thing that we can drill into that has ultimate reality. But there are a lot of things that can be controlled very effectively and with predictable failure rates. I'm not being [...] nihilistic Are they arresting people

Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread Miles Parker
On Sep 16, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Miles Parker wrote: I think if we look honestly there is not a single thing that we can drill into that has ultimate reality. But there are a lot of things that can be controlled very effectively and with predictable failure rates.

Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread Frank Wimberly
. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence) I would put it more strongly and say that it is entirely not subject neutral. I think if we look honestly there is not a single thing that we can drill into that has ultimate reality. I'm not being cute, or deep, or nihilistic, ;) but I really

Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence)

2009-09-16 Thread Miles Parker
Parker Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] comm. (was Re: FW: Re:Emergence Seminar--BritishEmergence) I would put it more strongly and say that it is entirely not subject neutral. I think if we look honestly