Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-17 Thread Jochen Fromm
I hear only Zombies all the time, have you watched too much Resident Evil films? -J. Sent from AndroidNicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:Robert,   I am sure my colleagues will see immediately the fallacy in your argument:  that it is a case of an Ad-Zombium argument.  

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, You are quite right about the Original Zombie. But I want to continue the conversation about Cartesian Zombies. These are the ones that look like a duck, quack like a duck, walk like a duck, but they aren't ducks. I say I am a [Cartesian] Zombie. [I say you are, also, but that

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Robert Holmes
Here's some grounds for denying the non-zombie's account of his zombieness: the non-zombie is mad or pig-headed or over-familiar with solipsism. Or a combination of all three. —R On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Robert, snipSo, there

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, I am sure my colleagues will see immediately the fallacy in your argument: that it is a case of an Ad-Zombium argument. Furthermore, it stipulates that Zombies have a mental life, since a mental life would seem to be necessary for pigheadedness, madness, OR solipsism. And since a

[FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-15 Thread glen ropella
On 09/14/2012 06:56 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: For me, consciousness is a point of view, and any telic system has a point of view. Zombies are telic systems, no? That's a great question. I would answer no. Zombies cannot be telic (as I understand that word, of course) because they are

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Glen, Wow! This Zombie thing is WAY more complicated than I thought it was. Although I haven't read any Kant first hand, I hear him lurking in the background. For me, a thermostat/furnace system is a telic system. It acts in such a way as to maintain a set point. So do I, sometimes. Me

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-15 Thread Robert Holmes
You guys clearly know too much about philosophy and not enough about zombies. Your notion that there is a single type of zombie has long been discredited. Here's a handy chart that I hope can inform your discussion. http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2010/10/05/zombie-chart-full.jpg —R

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-15 Thread Arlo Barnes
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.orgwrote: You guys clearly know too much about philosophy and not enough about zombies. Your notion that there is a single type of zombie has long been discredited. Not to mention the original meaning, which is somebody who

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-15 Thread Curt McNamara
And to tie this into the other discussion: The CDC is looking out for you: http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies/#/page/1 Curt On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.orgwrote: You guys clearly know too much about philosophy and not enough about zombies. Your