Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-24 Thread Gillian Densmore
Didn't Tessela have steampunk level ideas his coild could charge flying machines somehow? We have static driven motors already. They lack umpf though. On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM Gillian Densmore wrote: > Don't give him ideas. He's gone more off the deep end than usual. > > On Sat, Dec 24,

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-24 Thread Gillian Densmore
Don't give him ideas. He's gone more off the deep end than usual. On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 11:01 AM Steve Smith wrote: > > On 12/23/22 7:47 PM, Prof David West wrote: > > Instead of a cable - maybe Tesla’s unrealized broadcast technology? I > don’t remember the details but he was going to send

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-24 Thread Steve Smith
On 12/23/22 7:47 PM, Prof David West wrote: Instead of a cable - maybe Tesla’s unrealized broadcast technology? I don’t remember the details but he was going to send power from Long Island, via the ionosphere, to light the world expo in Paris. How could that ever go wrong? What kinds of

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-24 Thread David Eric Smith
d. It would reduce >>> the need to depend on batteries for wind and solar. Of course, you raise >>> #3, so it would be a target for sabotage like with Nordstream. It would be >>> nice to think there are things just to valuable to destroy, but probably >>>

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-23 Thread Prof David West
it would be a target for sabotage like with Nordstream. It >>>>> would be nice to think there are things just to valuable to destroy, but >>>>> probably there are no such things. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Friam on behalf of Sarbajit Roy >>

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-22 Thread Steve Smith
*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement What you are missing includes 1) Disposal of long term hazardou

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Marcus Daniels
Yikes! So we must develop an artificial magnetosphere for Mars so that we can do it on Earth too? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:  We humans tend to think of such long-term thinking as silly, frivolous mind exercises for the elite educated. I would

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Gary Schiltz
We humans tend to think of such long-term thinking as silly, frivolous mind exercises for the elite educated. I would applaud such thinking. But western civilization has trouble with seven generations, let alone seven million generations. On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 3:21 PM David Eric Smith wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Gillian Densmore
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Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread David Eric Smith
ourse, you raise #3, so it >> would be a target for sabotage like with Nordstream. It would be nice to >> think there are things just to valuable to destroy, but probably there are >> no such things. >> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> >> on behalf of

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Marcus Daniels
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Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Marcus Daniels
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Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Marcus Daniels
M To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement This fusion video should be the standard for how to present every single technological innovation, every so-called "renewable energy" device that is too little, too late, and m

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Steve Smith
Friam on behalf of Sarbajit Roy *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement What you are missing includes 1) Disp

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Merle Lefkoff
t;> sroy...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01 AM >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>> friam@redfish.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement >>> >>> What you are

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread cody dooderson
--- >> *From:* Friam on behalf of Sarbajit Roy < >> sroy...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion a

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-16 Thread Gillian Densmore
n behalf of Sarbajit Roy < > sroy...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2022 12:01 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement > > What you are missing in

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
notes on fusion announcement What you are missing includes 1) Disposal of long term hazardous nuclear waste. 2) Problems in maintaining / decommissioning ol older nuclear fission plants 3) Examples like we are seeing Ukraine's nuclear plants caught up in a war. On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 2:59 AM

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-15 Thread Sarbajit Roy
What you are missing includes 1) Disposal of long term hazardous nuclear waste. 2) Problems in maintaining / decommissioning ol older nuclear fission plants 3) Examples like we are seeing Ukraine's nuclear plants caught up in a war. On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 2:59 AM Gillian Densmore wrote: > Ok

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
I am a longtime proponent of fission for energy. For a few months in the late 60s I worked for Westinghouse Advanced Reactors Division. Specifically I did accident analysis for sodium cooled fast breeder reactors. We concluded that a sodium fire was the worst case accident. For pressurized water

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-15 Thread Gillian Densmore
Gotcha! I don't know man. You can swim in the same water used to cool rods because water close to the rods blocks neutrons. My concern about the DOE putting so many eggs in the fusion basket and ignoring the day to day year to year. Breeder reactors as a proven reliable start aren't without

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-15 Thread Barry MacKichan
I am a long-time environmentalist (I think I joined the Wilderness Society in the early 60’s) and I opposed fission power plants because of safety issues and because of the long-lived waste products. My feeling is that even if you make the probability of a screw-up very low, given 10,000

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-15 Thread Gillian Densmore
Ok so this is cool and all. Sigh I'll ask *that* question. We want less carbons because the planet is on f'n fire . As far as I know humans (in the very least) accelerated climate change. Ie we made this mess clean it up. ok fair so far I'm following.

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
How ICF might evolve into a power plant: https://firstlightfusion.com/technology/power-plant Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2022, at 7:16 AM, glen wrote: Excellent! Thanks. I think I'll have to push this topic for another day. I've got a few more links from other fora I'll plop here just

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-14 Thread glen
Excellent! Thanks. I think I'll have to push this topic for another day. I've got a few more links from other fora I'll plop here just in case I only land back here if/when I pop it off the stack later: https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/magnetized-targets-boost-nif-implosion-performance

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement Responsive to the issue of public funding of science (and advanced technology): We all know I'm a bit of a Luddite by most measures. By coincidence I was listening (with one ear) to Bill Nye (da Science Guy) give his popular hip

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Steve Smith
Responsive to the issue of public funding of science (and advanced technology): We all know I'm a bit of a Luddite by most measures.   By coincidence I was listening (with one ear) to Bill Nye (da Science Guy) give his popular hip-hip-hooray for the latest DOE announcement as I read your

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Steve Smith
I think DT refers simply to the remaining fraction of Deuterium/Tritium remaining after the reaction event (-4%) without specific accounting for remaining D vs T. My understanding is that D-T  fusion occurs at a lower temperature than D-D but that once fusion commences (starting with D-T),

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Carl Tollander
Sabine Hossenfelder holds forth on fusion and measures of break-even. Over a year old, but still http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2021/10/how-close-is-nuclear-fusion-power.html On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 4:37 PM glen wrote: > That's why I asked. I guess I'll assume DT means both deuterium

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread glen
That's why I asked. I guess I'll assume DT means both deuterium and tritium, not just deuterium. If you were going to track fuel use, you'd track the rarer part more closely, right? On 12/13/22 09:22, Frank Wimberly wrote: DT = deuterium? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe,

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
I thought director Budil made a good case for the unique value of public funding of science and advanced technology. Rockets are understood, Musk and others can build them. Decades of investment to do something like this is, it is just different. And they were not timid about mentioning

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Steve Smith
Great synopsis... thanks. I'm fascinated at how long we've been "on the cusp" of "lighting up" a micro-star in the laboratory. My first awareness was in the early 70s when a Radio Engineer I worked with had just come from the early MFE Livermore efforts to my tiny hometown AM RAdio

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Frank Wimberly
DT = deuterium? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 10:21 AM glen wrote: > Awesome. Thanks. I'm still trying to catch up with the QC Wormhole > kerfuffle. Who knew Quanta was so click baity? > > What is "DT"? > > On

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread glen
Awesome. Thanks. I'm still trying to catch up with the QC Wormhole kerfuffle. Who knew Quanta was so click baity? What is "DT"? On 12/13/22 09:02, Marcus Daniels wrote: In case no one wanted to get up at 7:00am to watch DOE administrators talk: 1. Controlling the laser in space and time was

[FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

2022-12-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
In case no one wanted to get up at 7:00am to watch DOE administrators talk: 1. Controlling the laser in space and time was important for maintaining symmetry. Timing precision of 25e-12 secs and laser spatial precision of 5e-12 meter were needed. This was thought to be the main explanation