[FRIAM] StepItUp2007

2007-04-14 Thread Mark Ericson
It occurs to me that Saturday's events are a wonderful example of at least a 'rising' mentality in society, similar to dominance - subdominance in genetics, except fluid, perhaps the most forceful expression of the process of the mentality of conservation achieving dominance (not fully, yet, of

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread Matthew Francisco
Good morning! On 4/14/07, Marcus G. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Matt, For the social scientist, the approach raises two problems: 1) Too much reflection means too much attention to models of the world. To ask the right questions means having unbiased data on how people in some

Re: [FRIAM] RE Complexity and dispair.

2007-04-14 Thread Matthew Francisco
On 4/14/07, Nicholas Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, let me ask the question less coyly. Most of the impact of complexity has been to tunnel under and loosen the foundations of ordinary science. Is that correct, or is it not? One of the important messages of complexity is that no

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Matthew Francisco wrote: A system for knowing, for reflecting on reality; that's science, isn't it? A social system for reflecting on reality also fits the description of religion too (assuming that you accept a belief in what one is refleciting on is reality). We all know that there is a

Re: [FRIAM] RE Complexity and dispair.

2007-04-14 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nicholas Thompson wrote: What can complexity science do other than humble us all? If scientists dont induct, then they dont DEduct because every deduction requires an induction along the way. So what DO we do? Build social consensus? Ugh I'd say just do our best to make contingency

Re: [FRIAM] RE Complexity and dispair.

2007-04-14 Thread Phil Henshaw
More good questions. The easy way to solve that is to recognize that you may not be able to answer all the questions you'd like, but you can answer some. Just be smart. With natural complex systems pay attention to the questions you can answer!! The fact that no physical thing can be

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread alex strauss
Re strong positionalities to observed (e.g. social) phenomena; vision quests and implications of Complexity, Heisenberg etc. and collectively digesting them. Is anybody here familiar with say Alfred Korzybski's - late 30s Science and Sanity and the work built on it

Re: [FRIAM] RE Complexity and dispair.

2007-04-14 Thread Carl Tollander
Well, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Ok, let me ask the question less coyly. Most of the impact of complexity has been to tunnel under and loosen the foundations of ordinary science. Aeration (in moderation) is good for the garden. One likes to believe we can do more, though. Is that

Re: [FRIAM] RE Complexity and dispair.

2007-04-14 Thread Tim Densmore
Hi all, Steve (or whoever controls the list) could you please unsubscribe me? I rarely read anything posted to this list, and the volume has increased to the point I'm missing mail I need to read. Thanks, Tim Densmore FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread Michael Agar
Reflexivity is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory, a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true. Then there's the ethnomethodology version, which means talk and situation dynamically co-constitute each other. Then there's the focused ethno version I