Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

2007-11-27 Thread sy
Glen, Nearly all you say fits closely with my approach, except the word 'any' in the following quote. To the contrary, I assume every actual system has an inherent hierarchicability (following the word extensibility) with respect to any observer(s). In other words, a system can be projected

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

2007-11-27 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/27/2007 06:05 AM: Nearly all you say fits closely with my approach, except the word 'any' in the following quote. To the contrary, I assume every actual system has an inherent 'hierarchicability' (following the word

Re: [FRIAM] Is mathematical pattern the theory of everything?

2007-11-27 Thread Gus Koehler
Thank you for drawing this excellent review to our attention. References to differing views from D'Espaganat is very helpful. In any case, the review does not negate my essential point but only adds to it, and that is the fundamental difficulties with trying to establish some foundation for

[FRIAM] Natural Design as a primitive property (was FRIAM and Causality)

2007-11-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
All, I confess I have not followed the mathematical side of this discussion into the blue underlined stuff. Nor do I claim to understand all of the plain text. However, I am tempted by the idea of a mathematical formalization of natural design. Here is the argument: What EVERYBODY --from

Re: [FRIAM] Natural Design as a primitive property (was FRIAM and Causality)

2007-11-27 Thread Robert Cordingley
Quick thought. Isn't 'designedness' directly proportional to a local reduction in entropy (= a measure of disorder, etc.) ? There's lots of math on entropy. Robert C Nicholas Thompson wrote: All, I confess I have not followed the mathematical side of this discussion into the blue

Re: [FRIAM] Natural Design as a primitive property (was FRIAM and Causality)

2007-11-27 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Thompson on 11/27/2007 10:22 AM: In short we need a dynamical theory. But such a theory will never happen until we have a sufficiently subtle (and verbalizable) mathematical formalization of the momentary relation between organisms and

Re: [FRIAM] Natural Design as a primitive property (was FRIAM andCausality)

2007-11-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Well, given that I am referring to a PATTERN, and patterns are a form of negentropy, I think I am required to agree. Nick - Original Message - From: Robert Cordingley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 11/27/2007 2:12:11 PM Subject: Re:

[FRIAM] one laptop per child

2007-11-27 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Hi, If I've been looking at the one laptop per child source code, and I'm amazed by how much stuff is available. Better equipped for ABM stuff than a lot of full Linux distributions. From Logo to Squeak to Mozilla XULRunner, it's all there.Could use them for classes for grown ups, I

Re: [FRIAM] one laptop per child

2007-11-27 Thread Carl Tollander
You might go blind programming the thing with the thing. Screen is pretty small and the keyboard is not designed for big fingers. Nevertheless, despite the language deficiencies :-) I did the order/donation thing a couple days ago. Not expecting to see any OLPC atoms before the new year,

Re: [FRIAM] one laptop per child

2007-11-27 Thread Alfredo Covaleda
Hi So much has been said about OLPC (one laptop per child) for poor children in the third world. It's wonderful and I'm sure it will help to reduce poverty and enhance children's minds. Now Third world only got to get 200 millions of children out of their jobs and guarantee for many of them at