Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Carl Tollander
There's also a book, "Kinematics of Mixing", which was more exciting than it sounds, but it seems to have escaped my bookshelf so I don't have an author handy. On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Carl Tollander wrote: > If you are in search of a river analogy word, you might look at "Rivers: >

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
Jessica Delacourt is not electable, but Ellen Ripley, well, she speaks to people.☺ On 8/17/18, 5:42 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: That article paints a fantastic contrast between "speaking to" in an ungrounded state vs.

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
I think of the preferers of poetry as the preferers of simplicity. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Aug 17,

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
That article paints a fantastic contrast between "speaking to" in an ungrounded state vs. "speaking to" in a grounded state. When speaking to a collection of idealists, it's relatively trivial to sidetrack them into some region where their evocative triggers are "dog whistles". But when

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
Perhaps Texas is key to putting a stop to all this? On 8/17/18, 4:52 PM, "Friam on behalf of Barry MacKichan" wrote: Clusterf**k ? Oops, sorry, I was thinking of Trump. Also it’s after 5 on a Friday

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yes, "face validation" plays a role. But quantitative "data validation" plays a stronger one, as I implied with my reference to "pure complexity". If I could bridge the gap between counting ambiguous things like "sinusoids" and our very quantitative analog, then it would be relatively easy to

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
"Peneplain" is a very cool word that you just taught me. But I think that's too well-mixed. In terms of the liver, the (3D) peneplain might be simply the central vein that flows out after all the filtering is done. I want to indicate the region "just prior" to the peneplain ... or just after

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Robert Wall
Glen, I believe what you are trying to achieve is what we used to call "face validity." To achieve accreditation among the domain experts, the model had to appeal on an empathic level or it was toast. This was not easy to do at the program level (DAG?) but easier to do a higher level of

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Barry MacKichan
Clusterf**k ? Oops, sorry, I was thinking of Trump. Also it’s after 5 on a Friday here on the east coast. --Barry On 17 Aug 2018, at 18:42, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: Bah! If you are, as I am, a post-modernist, explanatory power reduces to evocative power. Whatever I can do to evoke a predictable

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - hmmm...  "Plexus" as a portmanteau of Plectic and Nexus then? I sense in your groping/grasping/grappling for this word/phrase that you are seeking *both* explicit and implicit connectivity?   "Weaving" suggests to me that you are thinking implicit connections as much as explicit your use

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Bah! If you are, as I am, a post-modernist, explanatory power reduces to evocative power. Whatever I can do to evoke a predictable response in the audience is adequate. Although I count myself a fan of Wittgenstein's STFU approach, I can't deny the power of those who just never STFU.

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Interesting. Robert's mention of "fractally-associative" was attractive to me and seems similar to your [dis]assortativity. But I'm too ignorant (so far) to know whether that has any heuristic power. I now owe ~4 pints, but only have any confidence I'll have to pay up on 1. 8^) Here's the

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Robert Holmes
I always call it the Zweigneiderlassung. On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 4:14 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > The explanatory power of all words is limited. See Wittgenstein. Wovon > Mann nicht sprechen kann daruber muss Mann schweigen. > > --- > Frank Wimberly > > My

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
The explanatory power of all words is limited. See Wittgenstein. Wovon Mann nicht sprechen kann daruber muss Mann schweigen. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications:

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I *really* want to use some form of "plectic" like plexus or complex. But its explanatory power is limited. As I'll soon respond to Steve, I need something that evokes the concept of merging/confluent flow but without the overtones of generation (like Robert's growth/dynamism). Even the

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
I immediately think of Geoffrey West’s work. (Although that doesn’t immediately provide a catchy phrase.) http://science.sciencemag.org/content/276/5309/122 From: Friam on behalf of Robert Wall Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Friday, August 17, 2018 at

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - I haven't converged on precisely what you are looking for here...   but am fascinated with the question. My best guess at the general area you are contemplating would involve the graph theoretic idea of a "cluster" and/or imply something about (dis)assortativity.    I think maybe what you

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
Complex junction? --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 1:31 PM Robert Wall wrote: > Here's a paper

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Robert Wall
Here's a paper (2010) that describes a hub attraction dynamical growth model (HADGM) that exhibits fractal and probabilistic behavior for forming nodes in a complex network. But you are looking for a descriptive word or phrase. Perhaps, "dynamic growth models

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Excellent! I suppose the things I'm talking about would exhibit something like a persistent homology. Of course, I'm looking for a word to describe a subset of those (the particular way something like a capillary bed branches out from the large blood vessels). So, it would have to be a type

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
Persistent homology? On 8/17/18, 12:09 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: Maybe. But I tend to think of a hub as a kind of homogenous mixing point. E.g. a bicycle hub has all the spokes connnecting to the hub at equal distances. For water flow, something like a sewage treatment

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Maybe. But I tend to think of a hub as a kind of homogenous mixing point. E.g. a bicycle hub has all the spokes connnecting to the hub at equal distances. For water flow, something like a sewage treatment plant might have a reservoir into which pipes or canals feed, where the pipes/canals

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
A hub? On 8/17/18, 11:47 AM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: I need a word (or short phrase) to refer to the portion of a network where the edges converge or diverge (more than other parts of the network. Examples might be a river delta or the branching (debranching?) of blood

[FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I need a word (or short phrase) to refer to the portion of a network where the edges converge or diverge (more than other parts of the network. Examples might be a river delta or the branching (debranching?) of blood vessels or lungs. "Plexus" or "knot" don't work because they could