Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security? On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: s/neiboring/neighboring/g On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: You can go to the Kneset website and find out. Oh so there's a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ? Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven by that . There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of the surrounding arab countries? Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time - even if he was a minister, or a president. This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the neiboring arab countries should adopt. Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ? No I don't. i understand that :) Die slowly with lots of pain. I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that, you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your health... 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: haha, how much time this took you to say that ? You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear. you dont answer on any real questions You obviously ignore everything I write , you say always the same stuff No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you. , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die When did I say that? , but know what , not talking about war anymore here, Great! just your polititian. Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges. You can go to the Kneset website and find out. and what you still promoting them ? Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and propaganda. Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ? No I don't. 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say... Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer Security Mailing List? On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's have. During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: and/or if there are civilians inside or not. Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building. Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from there. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
This mailing list, and any other un-moderated list for that matter, work asynchronously - i.e. you can always post a security related message on this thread, or open a new thread by composing an e-mail with a different subject. We are not blocking and you don't need our permission to do so. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM, James Matthews nytrok...@gmail.comwrote: Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security? On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: s/neiboring/neighboring/g On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: You can go to the Kneset website and find out. Oh so there's a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ? Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven by that . There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of the surrounding arab countries? Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time - even if he was a minister, or a president. This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the neiboring arab countries should adopt. Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ? No I don't. i understand that :) Die slowly with lots of pain. I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that, you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your health... 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: haha, how much time this took you to say that ? You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear. you dont answer on any real questions You obviously ignore everything I write , you say always the same stuff No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you. , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die When did I say that? , but know what , not talking about war anymore here, Great! just your polititian. Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges. You can go to the Kneset website and find out. and what you still promoting them ? Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and propaganda. Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ? No I don't. 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say... Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer Security Mailing List? On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's have. During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: and/or if there are civilians inside or not. Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building. Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from there. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, James Matthews nytrok...@gmail.com wrote: Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security? I wonder how many people are going to cut ties with Gadi Evron after this. Funsec hasn't had a new post in several days... Last message date: Thu Jan 15 10:07:15 CST 2009 http://www.linuxbox.org/pipermail/funsec/2009-January/thread.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] BBC makes no reference to Cyber War only Cyber Protest
We know BBC loves to twist things. They will use different euphemisms to tune things in their own way. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Yudi Rosen yr42.li...@gmail.com wrote: Does it really matter what it's called? What would you call that little incident in Estonia a couple years back? Would you call that war or protest? And even with the current Israeli/Palestinian hacking 'skirmish'...why is that just a 'protest' and not a war? Sure, BBC might call it a 'protest', but two sides fighting with each other, trying to defend their own systems yet at the same time attacking those of the other side...sounds a lot like war to me. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:17 PM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Yudi Rosen yr42.li...@gmail.com wrote: What's your point? The threat is Cyber Protest, not Cyber War thats my point. about 18 hours ago from web The current threat to Information Security is 'Cyber Protest' not 'Cyber War' during the Israel-Gaza crisis. https://twitter.com/n3td3v/status/1119897172 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Anybody having a mobile phone (Iphone, Nokia.) willing to test ?
Post it here and then see who reads FD with their iPhone. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: yeah I do On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Thierry Zoller thie...@zoller.lu wrote: Hi, Anybody that has an Phone with a browser, Opera Mini, G1, Iphone willing to test a POC please contact me. -- http://secdev.zoller.lu Thierry Zoller ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?
Then I guess he shouldn't complain... On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:03:24 +0200, Avraham Schneider said: If I'm a troll, why do you feed me then? He probably has a 50 pound bag of Purina Troll Chow that he's trying to get rid of. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Mainbox Notif rokade...@gmail.com wrote: Israel has one of the most powerful and advanced armies. But they cannot find their enemy. Sure they can - Hamas is hiding in civilian homes, firing rockets from the rooftops and use civilian homes for weapon storage. When there is maybe one hamas-soldier, the israeli can't shoot him when hey is in a building, the israeli bomb the whole building. You wrongly assume it is one hamas-soldier - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE watch this video, it will explain a bit... In modern world we use intelligence and we have snipers. True. In modern world we do not blow up a whole building when there are probably weapons from the enemy in that building. You need to prove that claim. And we do not blow up a building when there are civilians inside. Israel calls up the civilians inside and gives them 20 minutes to evacuate, they also drop flyers from above alerting civilians to evacuate - this is something that is unuique in the modern world - no country is known to be this humane at times of war. Israel has a top priority of protecting it's own citizens - if Hamas uses the civilians as human shields - Hamas is the one to blame for their deaths. In modern world we do not shoot at the enemy when he is among civilians. You need to prive that claim. And we never bomb the UN or Red Cross. And then say 'sorry, it was a mistake In the medern world your enemy does not fire anti-tank misiles from a UN or Red Cross compound at you. And the next day bomb another hospital. and say 'sorry' again. We are always sorry for innocent civilian deaths - should we remind you of the cheering that was done in the streets of Gaza, with candies being distributed to everyone for the death of 3000 innocent American civilians at 9/11? Why didn't we see them upset for civilian casualties? Why do the israeli not use their army. Not sure I understand your question? Don't you think Israel could easily wipe out Gaza with all it's inhibitents in exactly 10 minutes? Why do you think Israel is risking it's soldier's lives for? Exactly for the reason you are claiming Israel is ignoring - for protecting civilian lives. I agree that their army is one of the most powerful, but why not use this? Do you want them to just Nuke Gaza? And apologize for my english. I'm not native english. I'm dutch. And I am sure that my english is better then your dutch. Yes, but you are comparing Apples to Oranges. I am a native Hebrew speaker. I don't go on Dutch forums and start mumbling nonsense in a lunguage I am not fluent with. So please do not attack people because of their english. I didn't attack you - just mentioned you need to get professional help with your English. 2009/1/16 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Handrix hand...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Israel is fighting terrorists - those terrorists decide to attack websites (since they wrongly believe it will help their cause)[1] - Israel cares less. It is Cyber-War because those terrorists are fighting a war against Israel - and the 'Cyber' is just an additional front for this war - not an important one, hence ignored by Israel, but it still is. If you call blowing yourself up in a bus, trying to kill as many passengers as possible - 'protest' - than by your definition one may call this 'Cyber-Protest' - but since normal people call those who practice suicide bombings 'terrorists', by their definition it is called either 'Cyber-Terrorism' - or since there is a war on terror - 'Cyber-War'. I hope this explains it for you. wich terrorisme you'are talking about ? You do not understand the concept of terrorisme, the real terrorist is israel that kills children and women. I hope that you will learn more about terrorisme. First, I'd recommend you get some professional help with your English before you post your opinions in English for everyone to read - it doesn't help your credibility at all. Israel does not target civilians, the terrorists who Israel is fighting against, are. Those terrorists that Israelis are fighting, are using those women and children as human shields and use their homes as a hiding place and for weapon storage. Israel does everything it can to prevent civilian casualties, but it is impossible under these conditions. Israel has as a top priority the life and security of it's own citizens (Muslim, Christian or Jew), and has to defend it's borders from the evil attacks of those terrorists. The fact that those terrorists fail to acheive high numbers of casualties on the Israeli side and Israel is acheiving high numbers of casualties on the Palestinian side is attributed to the fact that Israel is stronger - not that Israel is wrong. I hope that explains it for you.
Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?
Do you call Valdis a troll too? On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Mainbox Notif rokade...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/16 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:03:24 +0200, He probably has a 50 pound bag of Purina Troll Chow that he's trying to get rid of. LOL, 50 pound bag? Wrong: it was 80 pound! Do you want some? :) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Anybody having a mobile phone (Iphone, Nokia.) willing to test ?
i'll take one. my company tests a vast majority of phones for our GPS app which currently sits on a number of carriers. would love to check out your code. sr. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: yeah I do On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Thierry Zoller thie...@zoller.lu wrote: Hi, Anybody that has an Phone with a browser, Opera Mini, G1, Iphone willing to test a POC please contact me. -- http://secdev.zoller.lu Thierry Zoller ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
I wish life had a roll-back function. Then I went back to 1939. The israeli create an environment, or a climate, for hate. I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one. At the moment we have as much jews as befóre WO 2. It all have to start again. Yes , I know, that are very crude words. But people like Schneider ask for this hate. Schneider, I do not wish you dead. I wish that some 'terrorist' take your home, your country, your everything. Then they let you suffering until you are dead. Your replies ask for this. I think I just became an antisemitist. Schnieder, thanks for that (not) !! And again: stop annoying me private! Schneider, do you want some gas? 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com This mailing list, and any other un-moderated list for that matter, work asynchronously - i.e. you can always post a security related message on this thread, or open a new thread by composing an e-mail with a different subject. We are not blocking and you don't need our permission to do so. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM, James Matthews nytrok...@gmail.comwrote: Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security? On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: s/neiboring/neighboring/g On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: You can go to the Kneset website and find out. Oh so there's a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ? Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven by that . There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of the surrounding arab countries? Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time - even if he was a minister, or a president. This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the neiboring arab countries should adopt. Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ? No I don't. i understand that :) Die slowly with lots of pain. I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that, you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your health... 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: haha, how much time this took you to say that ? You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear. you dont answer on any real questions You obviously ignore everything I write , you say always the same stuff No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you. , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die When did I say that? , but know what , not talking about war anymore here, Great! just your polititian. Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges. You can go to the Kneset website and find out. and what you still promoting them ? Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and propaganda. Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ? No I don't. 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say... Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer Security Mailing List? On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's have. During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: and/or if there are civilians inside or not. Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building. Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from there. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote: You're doctrinated, man! You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me. lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me... btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Exploitation of unused IPv6-capabilities
Hi folks, while playing around I had an idea for some new kind of mitm which works quite well here. Affected: All operating systems with unused IPv6 capabilities listening to router advertisements (radvd for example) Attack: Have an IPv6 tunnel with appropriate prefix delegated. Configure your machine to propagate the prefix and switch on IPv6 routing. As soon as the victim has an IPv6 address issued by your radvd it will prefer -entries over A-entries and connect via your tunnel where you're waiting with a password sniffer of your choice ;). This works in any computing center where you have colo'ed you box, have a dedicated system or...simply physical access. During my proof-of-concept I was able to intercept SMTP, HTTP and DNS sessions. It should also work in LANs (lanparties, corporations). The danger of misled connections will dramatically increase with the increasing amount of ISPs also offering services usable via IPv6. Advisory: Turn off your sever's/client's entire IPv6 capability or at least the capability to catch up router advertisement messages I hope you find the contents of my mail useful, entertaining or at least noch entirely shitty. Night! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.comwrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote: You're doctrinated, man! You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me. lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me... btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.comwrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote: You're doctrinated, man! You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me. lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me... btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ? nope. I am not hiding behind any ID - it's my real name. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
HAHAHA. Even the pentagon faked the 9/11 . So dont tell us that a little group of stupid zionists will not follow the same mistake their daddy did . Israel took down the WTC and has the weakest army in the whole universe. IF you didnt had planes. Israel will be just like monaco. 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote: You're doctrinated, man! You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me. lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me... btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
yes, and Santa Claus really exists. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Prototype This termin...@gmail.comwrote: HAHAHA. Even the pentagon faked the 9/11 . So dont tell us that a little group of stupid zionists will not follow the same mistake their daddy did . Israel took down the WTC and has the weakest army in the whole universe. IF you didnt had planes. Israel will be just like monaco. 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote: You're doctrinated, man! You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me. lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me... btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
If you really think the IDF needs to produce fake footage, you should visit your doctor and ask for reevaluation of your prescription medications. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Exploitation of unused IPv6-capabilities
Hi, Hi folks, while playing around I had an idea for some new kind of mitm which works quite well here. do you mean like: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chown-v6ops-rogue-ra-02 http://www.tml.tkk.fi/~pnr/publications/WiSe2002-Arkko.pdf yes, we're aware of the issues for some time now. mitigation via things like private VLAN isolation alan ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Exploitation of unused IPv6-capabilities
Hiho, $! $! http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chown-v6ops-rogue-ra-02 $! http://www.tml.tkk.fi/~pnr/publications/WiSe2002-Arkko.pdf $! I thinks it's a topic where admins have to be a bit more sensitive. ;-) Still works like a charm and they have not the slightest idea. But nice to see that this paper is from november 2008. This means I'm not that slow with discovering such stuff by myself. And in this case I haven't sent bogus messages, routing via my tunnel worked. So long, Lukas ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Yes we think IDF need to produce fake footage . and it you and your country that need to visit Hitler s Oven again not a doctor. It good all the zionist are joining in once place. So the next Hitler burn all at once and for good. 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com: If you really think the IDF needs to produce fake footage, you should visit your doctor and ask for reevaluation of your prescription medications. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] [ GLSA 200901-12 ] noip-updater: Execution of arbitrary code
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gentoo Linux Security Advisory GLSA 200901-12 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://security.gentoo.org/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Severity: High Title: noip-updater: Execution of arbitrary code Date: January 18, 2009 Bugs: #248709 ID: 200901-12 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Synopsis A buffer overflow in noip-updater can lead to arbitrary code execution. Background == noip-updater is a tool used for updating IP addresses of dynamic DNS records at no-ip.com. Affected packages = --- Package / Vulnerable / Unaffected --- 1 net-dns/noip-updater2.1.9 = 2.1.9 Description === xenomuta found out that the GetNextLine() function in noip2.c misses a length check, leading to a stack-based buffer overflow. Impact == A remote attacker could exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code by sending a specially crafted HTTP message to the client. NOTE: Successful exploitation requires a man in the middle attack, a DNS spoofing attack or a compromise of no-ip.com servers. Workaround == There is no known workaround at this time. Resolution == All noip-updater users should upgrade to the latest version: # emerge --sync # emerge --ask --oneshot --verbose =net-dns/noip-updater-2.1.9 References == [ 1 ] CVE-2008-5297 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-5297 Availability This GLSA and any updates to it are available for viewing at the Gentoo Security Website: http://security.gentoo.org/glsa/glsa-200901-12.xml Concerns? = Security is a primary focus of Gentoo Linux and ensuring the confidentiality and security of our users machines is of utmost importance to us. Any security concerns should be addressed to secur...@gentoo.org or alternatively, you may file a bug at http://bugs.gentoo.org. License === Copyright 2009 Gentoo Foundation, Inc; referenced text belongs to its owner(s). The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. *paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Here you go - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5 http://tinyurl.com/lu4et* * Have fun reading facts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. *paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Typical zionist scum response, when faced with facts he can't handle he claims its all made up. You're nothing but a shill, which is proven by the company you work for, i'm sure you didn't get that job because you were a jew either... right? Pathetic. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
lmao! OH I GET IT! See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it. BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW then everything you say is a complete lie and made up. You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5 http://tinyurl.com/lu4et Have fun reading facts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one. there's difference between jews and sionist, as i said before jews != sionist and i'm trully antisionist, and this get enforced when i listen free propaganda like Avraham does Also Mr schneider, you forgot an important fact : Palestinian are resistants, not terrorists there's a true difference on that one, but i see you comming no no they're terrorist, they throw rockets around the border and kill innocent israelis Well in this case, the resistants in world war 2 should be also called terrorist. Also for your information, the true meaning of the word terrorist is very close to mercenary. A protester is not a terrorist, or shall i call you a terrorist because you protest with weapons agains palestinian ? See propaganda starts right here :) 2009/1/18 ghost gho...@gmail.com lmao! OH I GET IT! See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it. BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW then everything you say is a complete lie and made up. You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5 http://tinyurl.com/lu4et Have fun reading facts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:43 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one. there's difference between jews and sionist, as i said before jews != sionist Your point is? and i'm trully antisionist, and this get enforced when i listen free propaganda like Avraham does Good for you. You should add that to your linked-in profile... I'm sure it adds a lot to your credibility. Also Mr schneider, you forgot an important fact : Palestinian are resistants, not terrorists there's a true difference on that one, I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists, I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement. I also mentioned that the Palestinians in general give cover to those terrorists and allow them to store and smuggle weapons. Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state department. but i see you comming no no they're terrorist, they throw rockets around the border and kill innocent israelis Well in this case, the resistants in world war 2 should be also called terrorist. Nope - a world of a difference - the resistnence groups in WWII were fighting military targets, as opposed to Hamas, who blantly aims at civilian targets (in addition to using civilians for cover). Also for your information, the true meaning of the word terrorist is very close to mercenary. Thanks for the 'information'. I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while... A protester is not a terrorist, or shall i call you a terrorist because you protest with weapons agains palestinian ? If that makes you happy, I can care less... See propaganda starts right here :) I wish I didn't. 2009/1/18 ghost gho...@gmail.com lmao! OH I GET IT! See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it. BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW then everything you say is a complete lie and made up. You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5 http://tinyurl.com/lu4et Have fun reading facts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To:
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: Typical zionist scum response, when faced with facts he can't handle he claims its all made up. What facts? You're nothing but a shill, which is proven by the company you work for, i'm sure you didn't get that job because you were a jew either... right? Yes, it's all just 1 big conspiracy... Pathetic. Agree. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake. You're a propoganda shill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage and none have contested it. It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it would be shooting itself in the foot. In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
How come you never sleep ? There's some relay going on, on your propaganda nickname ? Anyways : Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state department. What a nice reference I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement. Hamas resist against your invasion. Thanks for the 'information'. I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while... I do, and i suggest you to look at the use of this word in the medias or by govs, before 9/11/2001. I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists Oh let me guess: see all your familly killed by israeli, and do nothing = good Palestinian see all your familly killed by israelis and then kill some israelis with old school rockets = bad Palestinian Sure it's always more funny when you can fire at them when they dont fight back. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Wow, this is a great thread everyone! Very informative, lots of interesting points and I appreciate how everyone is avoiding ad-hominem attacks. This is almost as good as 4chan! I do have a few questions though: If Israel is so evil, why doesn't the IDF just nuke the Palestinians and put an end to this stupid argument? Or, if the Palestinians are right, why doesn't someone/Allah take pity on them, give them some nukes and let them put an end to this stupid argument? I'm serious, these rockets Hamas seems intent on using is the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gun fight. Won't someone think of the children? I'm sure everyone here on FD would appreciate this issue being resolved once and for all so we can get back to something useful. kthxbye! -Rants On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:43 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one. there's difference between jews and sionist, as i said before jews != sionist and i'm trully antisionist, and this get enforced when i listen free propaganda like Avraham does Also Mr schneider, you forgot an important fact : Palestinian are resistants, not terrorists there's a true difference on that one, but i see you comming no no they're terrorist, they throw rockets around the border and kill innocent israelis Well in this case, the resistants in world war 2 should be also called terrorist. Also for your information, the true meaning of the word terrorist is very close to mercenary. A protester is not a terrorist, or shall i call you a terrorist because you protest with weapons agains palestinian ? See propaganda starts right here :) 2009/1/18 ghost gho...@gmail.com lmao! OH I GET IT! See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it. BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW then everything you say is a complete lie and made up. You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5 http://tinyurl.com/lu4et Have fun reading facts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full
[Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: What facts? Point proven. If it isn't from zionist then it isn't a fact, typical zionist scum. You work for an israeli based company, that proves your a shill. I will rejoice once israel is wiped off the face of earth once and for all. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Oh ha ha. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:43 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: Kill your parents. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:37 PM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] RJ Carter abuses of kids and defamation - Don't Let Your Kids Go Online Unsupervised
Another post to this list was posted by R.J. Carter (who actually writes reviews of DVD's at www.The-Trades.com, and peddles his bizarre fantasy books on Amazon with his friend, and fellow Yahweh Clan member, Troy Riser), where he spams links to his blog where he reposts his article supposedly promoting online safety directed to parents. What Mr. Carter doesn't mention, (and that The-Trades.com probably is not aware of) is that he is a member of an internet cyber-terrorist group, the YouTube Yahweh Clan. A group formed with the intent to troll, harass, stalk, intimidate, extort, and torment to the fullest extent, the most vulnerable members of the online community, abuse voctims, women, the mentally challenged, hancicapped children, suicidal teens, for a form of humor they call Lulz. He also added the keywords listing user Irish282, and Logansperman2 (a teenaged boy), to spike search engines when his article here was archived, to direct harassment at them (they are both targets of this group because they spoke out against them). In his article (which everyone is invited to read on his own blog site), he starts out writing what seems to be a balanced article on online safety, but it's true purpose was to imply things about a kids' YouTube channel called YoungTubersUnited, and the aforementioned users. His friend (and co-author) Troy Riser saught out this group of kids (run by a 14 year old boy and his father), who had the popularity and praise that they both probably wanted, and decided to join in the Yahweh Clan by implying this group of kids was somehow run by pedophiles, and part of an elaborate pedophile ring (we could not make this stuff up). Also, in the most blatant irony, Mr. Carter posted kids' own YouTube user names in his article about keeping kids safe, enabling anyone to directly contact (and harass) these children, calling them pedophile supporters. How this man still has any credibility or a career as a writer of any sort (even DVD reviews) is beyond me. Original message follows: [Full-disclosure] Don't Let Your Kids Go Online Unsupervised * From: Walter Kovacs walter.kov...@xx * Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:33:00 -0700 (PDT) RJ Carter discusses online predators, child safety, and parent resources in regards to the online activity of unsupervised children on YouTube and other sites. For more info: http://therjcarter.wordpress.com/youtube-pedophile-playground/ http://rjcarter.blogspot.com Irish282, LoganSperman2, YouTube, Pedophile Playground -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Sorry if there are multiple posts
Our first post never seemed to go through, it was re-sent, hopefully it will show up, it involves important infomation about posts that were made to this list previously, to set the record straight about certain individuals who have been abusing the list to promote their agenda of harassment under false names. There should have been another post before the one that did go through, so it may seem out of context. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] can't get a post to go through
Not sure why, are there some sort of filters or other limitations on why a post won't go through? Any help is appreciated, thanks! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Abuse and false posts by the Yahweh Clan on this list
Important Notes on some prior fictitious posts to this list: As most of you figured out long ago, a message posted to the list on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:42:29 -0800 By a poster claiming the name of Jaime Demetur (which is not his real name, but a spoof of yet another person's name who he targets).. claiming to be a forwarded message from YouTube user VioletKitty411 , and listing the user names of Irish282 (Claude Clark) and a subsequent post naming DynaCatLovesMe as pedophiles, and to send this message to everyone you know, was a complete fraud. VioletKitty411 never sent such a message (and this can be checked with her easily), she was actually another target of this cyber-terrorist group, calling themselves the YouTube Yahweh Clan. Jaime Demetur (using the list email address of sniffikins (at) yahoo (dot) com ) is known as SubSeven and calls himself the leader of this group. The Yahweh Clan basically goes around harassing and spreading lies about people, especially targeting those with physical and/or mental disabilities, abuse survivors, suicidal teens (usually with the apparent intent to see who can get them to go through with it), children, etc., and find humor in it when they are able to cause harm. They have attempted to fool people that they are legit members of the tubes and internets (their lingo), and are associated with Encyclopedia Dramatica, which they use to post further defamatory and harmful content (including names and addresses of children, telling people they are pedophiles to direct in-person harassment towards them as a form of intimidation. They also will attempt extortion after they post someone's address, that if they want it removed they must conform to their demands (for example make a video denouncing the Jews, and don't let anyone know we had anything to do with it). In short, these people define scum. Another poster who claimed to be YouTube user TheMaskedAnalyst (who wasn't really him) posted a list of personal information about a user to slander her and mock her, including her address, bank information, etc. Another Yahweh Clan member named RJ Carter posted an article here about Pedophiles on YouTube, which was posted elsewhere and intended to sound like a legit article about internet safety, but directs harassment towards children (ironically) by listing their YouTube user names and calling them pedophile supporters, as well as targeting a well-known children's video collaboration channel on YouTube, YoungTubers United, by implying there are pedophiles running it (it is run by a 14 year old boy and his father). It also targets users such as Irish282 (are we picking up a pattern here?) by implying they are pedophiles. Irish282 and the others get targeted because they are part of a group who stuck up for the women the Yahweh Clan started to harass and torment, and other who they targeted, including children they harassed. When the kids were defended, the Yahweh Clan decided to make Irish282 and the others out to be pedophiles, making up numerous phony profiles, videos, you name it. Irish282 and the others are working with law enforcement to get more action taken against these people. They have also filed dozens of forged and fictitious false DMCA (copyright complaints) notices on numerous videos of their victims, claiming they own them, to get ISPs to delete them and suspend the users, using completely false names (which is perjury and forgery, and conspiracy to do so). There is a mass of videos on YouTube about all of these ongoing situations, including some listing over 300 Yahweh Clan accounts that have been suspended, (yet there is only about 10 members of this group, they just make new accounts). The original thread follows: [Full-disclosure] Pedophiles On YouTube (ringleader Irish282) = * From: Jaime Demetur sniffikinsx * Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:34:41 -0800 (PST) FORWARDED MESSAGE ATTACHED: VioletKitty411 wrote: I am concern about the pedophile situation on YouTube. A friend of mine Irish282 on YouTube appears to be the ringleader of a group of pedophiles hiding behind the front of the YouTube Vigilantes. I don't want to be associated with these people. Please warn all parents about this man. He operates by trying to be friends with these children. His info is included below: Claude Clark 2151 O*** ** Rd San Jose, California 95131 (408) ***- Please, save the kids from this man, and forward this email to everyone you know. Thanks, VK Re: [Full-disclosure] Pedophiles On YouTube (ringleader Irish282) * From: Nicholas Winn nwinnxxx * Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:46:49 -0500 And I assume your not full of *** and have proof of this
Re: [Full-disclosure] Abuse and false posts by the Yahweh Clan on this list
To Whom It May Concern: Nobody Cares. Thanks, Brandom D. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:19 PM, YouTube Vigilantes ytvh...@mail.com wrote: Important Notes on some prior fictitious posts to this list: ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:42 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: What facts? Point proven. If it isn't from zionist then it isn't a fact, typical zionist scum. Again I'll ask - what facts? You work for an israeli based company, that proves your a shill. You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately... I will rejoice once israel is wiped off the face of earth once and for all. Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going real well... ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:40 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: How come you never sleep ? I just woke up. There's some relay going on, on your propaganda nickname ? I think the one who is using a propaganda nickname is you 'j-f sentier' - My real name is Avraham Schneider - you can find my profile on Linked In, and I don't hide by a propaganda nickname, something so prevalent here lately... Anyways : Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state department. What a nice reference Do you dispute it? I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement. Hamas resist against your invasion. How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_? How do they resist? by hiding behind their own _civilians_? Then claiming victory when Israel pulls out after killing hundreds of them? Thanks for the 'information'. I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while... I do, and i suggest you to look at the use of this word in the medias or by govs, before 9/11/2001. It is clear you don't. I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists Oh let me guess: see all your familly killed by israeli, and do nothing = good Palestinian see all your familly killed by israelis and then kill some israelis with old school rockets = bad Palestinian If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it much cheaper and with no Israeli casualties. Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own govornment, they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as possible. Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any _civilians_ wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and _civilians die_ - especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as human shields - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5 Hamas on the other hand, _target civilians_ - Palestinians are _happy_ when Israeli civilians die, the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000 innocent civilians dies in the WTC - spreading candy in the streets. Sure it's always more funny when you can fire at them when they dont fight back. We don't fire at them - we don't target civilians, we target the militant terrorist organizations that hide among the supporting Palestinian population. Any civilian who stores weapons in his house should not complain that his house is bombed. any civilian who has a smuggling tunnel underground, should not complain that his house is bombed. No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed - during war. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Again I'll ask - what facts? You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a propaganda machine. You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately... So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh? Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going real well... The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other countries. Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all come true :) It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us more then any other country and you support them 100%. You're a terrorist and deserve to be in guantanamo bay. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Again I'll ask - what facts? You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a propaganda machine. I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading propaganda and lies, is you. Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times needed, You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately... So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh? No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going real well... The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other countries. You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping. Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties Israel had with them are drug related). Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all come true :) As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these... It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us more then any other country I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond. Now that you do - who is 'us'? and you support them 100%. Yes I do. You're a terrorist http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g and deserve to be in guantanamo bay. But Obama is closing it down.., ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
We heard it now many times. Please stop it now. None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your intolerant attitude. So please shut up and get back to computer security. Peter Bruderer On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Again I'll ask - what facts? You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a propaganda machine. I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading propaganda and lies, is you. Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times needed, You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately... So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh? No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going real well... The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other countries. You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping. Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties Israel had with them are drug related). Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all come true :) As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these... It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us more then any other country I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond. Now that you do - who is 'us'? and you support them 100%. Yes I do. You're a terrorist http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g and deserve to be in guantanamo bay. But Obama is closing it down.., ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading propaganda and lies, is you. Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times needed, If it isnt from zionist scum you don't believe it. That's a pathetic way to live and I feel sorry for you. oh yes! You aren't deliberately spreading false claims right? You're basing yours on what israel says and anyone else is wrong. That isn't fact. You aren't able to think for yourself, that's a sad life. So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh? No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd Again, wasn't from zionist scum so you don't believe it. You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping. Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties Israel had with them are drug related). zionist scum all hopped up on drugs, label me not surprised, patheticx2. As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these... as far as we see Shill, proof. patheticx3. I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond. Now that you do - who is 'us'? See, thats the problem with zionist scum. It's always zionists... then the rest of the world. Us is the USA. The country that you've lived in your entire life too scared to fight along your scum brothers in israel. and you support them 100%. Yes I do. Yet too much of a coward to murder innocent civilians in the name of your scum brothers. Hm... pathetic. You're a terrorist http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g and deserve to be in guantanamo bay. But Obama is closing it down.., Yes, and hopefully he opens up camps for you and your scum brothers. That will solve 90% of our problems. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
