On Sun Mar 21, 2004 at 10:48:19AM -0600, Jeff Schreiner wrote:
My fully registered and activated copy of Office Professional Enterprise
2003 was given to me free by M$all I had to do was register for their
Office System 2003 event...had to listen to a M$ rep ramble for 8 hours
about the
My fully registered and activated copy of Office
Professional Enterprise
2003 was given to me free by M$all I had to do was
register for their
Office System 2003 event...had to listen to a M$ rep ramble
for 8 hours
about the Office System but hey I figure I can give them 8
What have I wrought?
- Original Message -
From: David Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
My fully registered and activated copy of Office
Professional Enterprise
2003
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Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:50 PM
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
Troy wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:27:56 +0100, Frank de Wit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If you were to switch email clients, you wouldn't have
Hello Troy,
* Troy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-21 12:24]:
if many people here have the same problem i will not sign my mails in
the future to this mailinglist in the hope that all can read my mails.
regards nico
FYI, with my mailer, your emails show up as plain text message with an
On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 21:50, Steve Menard wrote:
Troy wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:27:56 +0100, Frank de Wit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you were to switch email clients, you wouldn't have this problem.
Even if you went to Outlook, you could read their messages without
opening
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Menard
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:50 PM
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
Troy wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:27:56 +0100, Frank de Wit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If you
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:44:51 +0100, Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yes, because you don't use outlook ;)
True, though I am pretty much forced to use Outlook at work, and I
noticed that it also treats *just* the signature as an attachment. So,
it seems limited to Outlook Express. A quick
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:50:13 -0400, Steve Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But that [outlook] entails paying
BIG BUCKS to some
large monopoly
I wasn't implying that Outlook was the only way to go. I was just saying
that even Outlook doesn't have the problem. OE is the only client I've
seen so
Hallo William,
* William Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 11:03]:
nos those txt attachments get killed at my firewall..
super, you never can read signed mails, the only mails you can trust
100%.
regards nico
--
Nico Golde| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL
Hallo VB,
* VB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 11:03]:
Isnt this what we have been taught? haven't we tried to pound this simple
rule into the heads of our users? Do we not practice what we preach? then
why do several users of this list only send messages and replies as
attachments?
because
Hallo Kenton,
* Kenton Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 11:03]:
I have to say that I have no idea what you are talking about, I never
see any email as attachments. Could it be your email client or server
(you're using Outlook Express apparently, so that could be it)?
yes, because you use
: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
i think the philosophy of never open attachments is only true if your mailer
sucks.
regards nico
___
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http
Hallo Ben,
* Ben Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 11:03]:
I think you're MUA is interpreting signed mail as simply a blank email
with a text attachment (the PGP signed message). Many people on this
list PGP sign their messages, so if your MUA is mis-interpreting these
messages as text
Hallo Jeremiah,
* Jeremiah Cornelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 11:03]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nico Golde, Frank
Knobbe, et al have wonderful things to say and contribute great
things to this list, but i have never read anything they post because
they post as
Hallo VB,
* VB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 11:03]:
Thanks for the info. i did open your attachment.
Now dont hurt yourself falling off your high horse.
i think that is not the right mehtod, because now i know you open my
attachments and i can send you viruses.
try to change your mailer.
I
2004 12:02
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
Hallo VB,
* VB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 11:03]:
Thanks for the info. i did open your attachment.
Now dont hurt yourself falling off your high horse.
i think that is not the right mehtod, because now i
]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
i think the philosophy of never open attachments is only true if your mailer
sucks.
regards nico
While this is true (and it is), more importantly, it is foolish to read a
mailing
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 02:09:02PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Save the Attachement first, the Virusscanner scanns on access.
You don't open it, but if it has an virus the scanner will trigger.
I do it like this!
Of course, this isn't foolproof unless you have a scanner which can
reliably
: Saturday, March 20, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
Frank de Wit wrote:
just ignore a major part of the world who don't use your mailer...
and they will ignore your emails... simple
just ask yourself what is more important to you
you emailing, or people
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:54:34 +0100, Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if many people here have the same problem i will not sign my mails in
the future to this mailinglist in the hope that all can read my mails.
regards nico
FYI, with my mailer, your emails show up as plain text message with
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:27:56 +0100, Frank de Wit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the only ones posting messages as attachments here are: krafft, knobbe,
stover and a handfull more
But they're not posting their messages as an attachment. They're posting
plain text messages with an attached signature.
Troy wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:27:56 +0100, Frank de Wit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you were to switch email clients, you wouldn't have this problem.
Even if you went to Outlook, you could read their messages without
opening attachments.
But that [outlook] entails paying
BIG BUCKS to
can pretty well guarantee that the public key
will be available when one needs to verify the message.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Troy
Sent: March 20, 2004 8:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open
NEVER open attachments
Isnt this what we have been taught? haven't we tried to pound this simple
rule into the heads of our users? Do we not practice what we preach? then
why do several users of this list only send messages and replies as
attachments?
I'm sure
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nico Golde, Frank
Knobbe, et al have wonderful things to say and contribute great
things to this list, but i have never read anything they post because
they post as attachments.
Yes, granted, they are .txt attachments but that is no excuse as it's
just
VB wrote:
[they] have wonderful things to say and contribute great things to
this list, but i have never read anything they post because they post
as attachments.
There's a strong possibility that your MUA is misinterpreting their
multipart/signed messages. For example, my User-Agent displays
nos those txt attachments get killed at my firewall..
VB wrote:
NEVER open attachments
Isnt this what we have been taught? haven't we tried to pound this simple
rule into the heads of our users? Do we not practice what we preach? then
why do several users of this list only send messages and
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Hash: SHA1
I think you're MUA is interpreting signed mail as simply a blank email
with a text attachment (the PGP signed message). Many people on this
list PGP sign their messages, so if your MUA is mis-interpreting these
messages as text attachments, you need
I would like to second that motion. I never open attachments, especially on
newsgroups etc as they are a prime target.
-Original Message-
From: VB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER
to those that set me straight.
vb
- Original Message -
From: Scott Boegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'VB' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
Uhmm, I think you're referring to their pgp signature data
2004-03-19T19:27:53 VB:
NEVER open attachments
NEVER use a Mail User Agent (MUA) like Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1158 (from your X-Mailer: header).
Folks like those you listed post digitally signed messages,
conforming to standards. They are doing things exactly right.
Your MUA is
I have to say that I have no idea what you are talking about, I never
see any email as attachments. Could it be your email client or server
(you're using Outlook Express apparently, so that could be it)?
Kenton
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 12:27, VB wrote:
NEVER open attachments
Isnt this what we
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Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
___
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
2004-03-19T20:42:10 VB:
Thanks for the info. i did open your attachment.
Good for you!
Now dont hurt yourself falling off your high horse.
Not to worry.
I did not write Outlook Express, perhaps your bitterness would be
better off directed to those that did.
You do, however, choose to use
--On Friday, March 19, 2004 02:27:53 PM -0500 VB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NEVER open attachments
So, why do these folks post attachments? Why is this even permitted? I
would love to hear what these people have to say, but i cannot break my
own rule to find out.
Fine. I'll answer for them. It's
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 14:43, Staves, Steve wrote:
I would like to second that motion. I never open attachments, especially on
newsgroups etc as they are a prime target.
No problem, that's yours (and VB's) choice. Just don't open anything we
post. I don't have a problem with that. I'm not quite
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Hash: SHA1
I am with everyone else when they claim you need to find a decent MUA.
But regardless, I think you need to learn about a little friend of mine
called SYSTRACE! I don't run anything I deem insecure without it (im
clients, mail clients, firefox, any and
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