Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Durant
I am motivated to strive for a survivable option for the future - so sorry. That's the point Eva. You have a specific agenda in mind, and then reject any information that doesn't support it. We all do that to some extent, but "thinkers" will revisit beliefs when presented with new

Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Steve Kurtz
Mike raises the issue of human values - individual, cultural, and species wide. The relationship of self-conscious free will and determinism as part of nature is explored in a paper by Tom Clark linked below. A main point I've tried rather unsuccessfully to make for the past two years on this

Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Jay Hanson
- Original Message - From: Michael Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] "An Englishwoman...was accused of heresy in 1704... [splatter details elided] Remember that all she had to do to avoid torture was to change her opinion. You leave us to infer that so doing would have been "rational". In

Forward: The Market as God

1999-02-21 Thread Jay Hanson
Date: February 20, 1999 To: IFFS/CAIA listserve CSARE Ag Ethics Task Force New Economics of Sustainability Group Ecological Economics listserve SANET - MG (Please pardon duplicate mailings, those of you on

Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Jan Matthieu
I kept out of Jay Hansons way for a long while now, especially since some intelligent and very persevering people like Eva Durant answered him sufficiently, but reading this just made my blood boil again. One wonders if there is no ecological list where these same ongoing crazy discussions are

Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Steve Kurtz
Good subject title! :-) Jan Matthieu wrote: One wonders if there is no ecological list where these same ongoing crazy discussions are not overshadowing what is really important. Hope you agree that "what is really important" is 100% OPINION. who now is going to take the place of evolution

Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Ray E. Harrell
The problem of health, commodities, the left vs. the right, or the mental models that we bring to these discussions seems to be making people angry everywhere .The future of work is an interesting thought except everyone only seems to want to discuss the future of their work or their

Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Durant
... Like it or not we have notions of good and evil, they're important and we're stuck with them. I don't like the notions of "good" and "evil" as they imply relative (thus non-existent) human values. However there are objectively definable and measurable qualities, such as human rights,

Re: How hard is it to change opinions?

1999-02-21 Thread Jay Hanson
From: Jan Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are billions of people to be condemed to death because of YOUR hundreds-of-years-old "beliefs" about "rights"? So that's civilisation for you, doing away with everything valuable people have died FOR in the past, like democracy for example, and indeed