Unemployment: Grand-Duchy of Luxemburg (fwd)

1999-02-28 Thread Michael Gurstein
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:59:45 -0800 (PST) From: Frederic MERTZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unemployment: Grand-Duchy of Luxemburg Dear all, Please note the following conference about the luxemburgish National Action Plan for

Re: Democracy sociocybernetics

1999-02-28 Thread Colin Stark
Steve Kurtz wrote: I argue...that hierarchies...have always existed and will most likely continue to do so despite any structural changes invented applied. Methinks thou dost overgeneralize and art over-bold in thy predictions Koestler, Wilber, Raven, and Hock all talk of more organic

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

1999-02-28 Thread Durant
I agree totally with what you say the EU is about. It is the sign of a next stage of capitalism, as you say, fighting it, seems to me, is as futile as the Luddites attacking machines. The unification of the USA happened in the name of its fledgling capitalism, too. It turned out that the the

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

1999-02-28 Thread Ed Weick
Eva: It turned out that the the best way to fight capitalism is a united and goal-conscious working class. That working class contains highly educated if unconcious (!!) masses now, especially in Europe. What other - democratic - ways are there? I believe that the method you propose was tried

Re: Democracy sociocybernetics

1999-02-28 Thread Ray E. Harrell
Hi Mike, This is a very interesting post. I find it the most interesting in how you are traversing the path of traditional Native American Plain's Myth in your forms. The net for example is the traditional form of Spider Woman and is considered essentially feminine in nature. Amongst the

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

1999-02-28 Thread Durant
I believe that the method you propose was tried several times during the past century. Unions were formed as a means of mobilizing the working class against powerful industrial interests. Political ideologies were fashioned as formulas for the development of ideal states in which the

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

1999-02-28 Thread Christoph Reuss
Eva wrote: I agree totally with what you say the EU is about. It is the sign of a next stage of capitalism, as you say, fighting it, seems to me, is as futile as the Luddites attacking machines. I think this comparison isn't correct, because the machines represented true progress, whereas