Please excuse if you receive more than one copy. I have been a member of many, many lists for a long time. This discussion should be important to all educators, technical communicators, writers, webmeisters and designers, and the general population who care about bandwidth and the bloating of the Web with unnecessarily long downloads of sites. Please respond to me personally and not the list. == Cheers to all who added to our understanding both pro and con of Java, ActiveX, and bloated graphics! The full file is available in ASCII as a send or HTML as an attachment. Contact me for some interesting responses to say the least. da T. == Subject: Anyone else feeling grumpy about... Date: Sat, 29 Nov 97 22:31:33 +0000 From: Patricia Ann Gantt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Electronic Information & Media Support To: Pat Gantt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Java? Please excuse if this is a cross-posting or offtopic to the list. Feel free to email me personally. Tired of sites that take forever to load? Wish that all website developers would just stick with HTML and CGI scripting? How about a voluntary moritorium or boycott of Java and Active X sites? == Notes: First, I would like to thank all respondents... Grumpy or Not. Me, I feel less grumpy but still oppose bloated, slow loading sites. Perhaps "voluntary boycott" is too strong... but the sentiment is there. How about the idea of joining a tread pertaining to this? How about leaving messages on webpage guestbooks or sent email to webmeisters saying we are tired of bloated Java, graphics, and ActiveX clogging the Internet? As one respondent says... it is the fault of the inept programmers. Why not have a site that lets you pick (via splashscreen) a text, plain HTML, or Java choice? As sighted by many just hit the [Stop] button when Java loads and gives you a grey blank screen for an intermitable it seems time? All fine an good but most Java Scripts (and ActiveX) once started refuse to stop. At least I can go back to checking my email while the Java wastes my browser time. As for the suggestion to turn off the Java on a browser... doesn't this lockup the PC? As for the improvement in hardware... I have had people report to me with a fast Pentium and 56 KB modem the same irritating Java delays. The truth is these are the lucky users... quite a few folks are still using 486s with 28.8 KB modems over a plain phone line. The only users who do not report delays are using Pentiums or Pros and other an Ethernet with T-1, T-10, or T-100 connections. So I assume if a web page designer wants his/her page viewed then why not design it for the vast majority of users? Are graphics really all that essential unless they enhance the text message? What about great web design techniques? What about the catch phrase of all good designers... Keep It Simple S_____ -> well you know... Pat -- ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ Patricia Ann Gantt Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M.S., Human Resource Development The University of Tennessee Electronic Media Design & Support http://dreamteamonline.net/ ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ http://www.trainmart.com/Train/TRAIN.NSF/ Graphics/infodeskframe/$file/frameinf.htm?OpenElement