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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:13:12 +1300
From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Europe to Create Millions of Environmental Jobs
An alternative to jobs created by the current philosophy of increasing
production at any cost. Perhaps
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:26:18 -0800
From: Ellen Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Bob Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: UN Proposes financial controls
Ottawa Citizen Jan. 29, 1999
WORLD NEWS
UN releases proposals for
reform of
Subject: Banana deadlock plunges WTO into unprecedented dilemma
GENEVA, Jan 29 (AFP) - World Trade Organization chief Renato
Ruggiero was holding urgent talks with EU and US ambassadors on
Friday as the transatlantic banana feud plunged the world
Suppose society decided the primary "goal" was for our kids to live long
enough to retire. Obviously, this implies a functional society, which is a
"technical" question -- somewhat like asking "How can I make the cooking
fuel on my boat last the entire trip?"
Who decides the goal and do
At present large densities of people in Japan, Holland,
etc have high standard of living and falling birth rates.
At present population levels are not the cause of rising poverty,
but the insane structure of economics and distribution.
If all your scientists are incapable of seeing such an
Yes, chain letters don't get you anywhere, they just clog up our
best source of information.
It is however, nice to see
so many care. I think someone literate should re-write this letter
to be sent to those in government, so that pressure can be expressed
against all military/economical links
Again the cornucopian fallacy raises its ugly head.
My grubbing in the late-Victorian archive makes me suspicious of undefined
uses of the word "fallacy". The late-Victorian legacy can be roughly
translated as "My class prejudice is Truth, yours (the one that _I_
attribute to you) is
Eva:
At present large densities of people in Japan, Holland,
etc have high standard of living and falling birth rates.
agreed
At present population levels are not the cause of rising poverty,
but the insane structure of economics and distribution.
Without parasitic imports of food,
I have not had time lately to follow this thread but I was able to read
this post this morning and wonder if anyone has mentioned Plato's Republic
in the course of this discussion.
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Eva Durant wrote:
(I think I mentioned it before BTW,
I am Hungarian, as centre-european
I didn't coin this term.( Eva: 'Horn of Plenty' is another similiar term )
Here is a snippet from a paper "THE CORNUCOPIAN FALLACIES"
Lindsey Grant (1992)
An intense if intermittent debate is under way between environmentalists
and
"cornucopians." The
Two problems:
Boredom
Provincialism
Boredom will create despair.
Provencialism will create prejudice.
Remember Jay, the complexity that arises from the modern situation is
no different that Everest. It becomes simpler with exploration but not
appreciably less dangerous as Huxley pointed out
Thomas Lunde wrote,
Now as I have noted on FW before, when you start to examine the concept of
Future-work, it soon passes beyond, shorter work weeks and other technical
changes into a study of the ideas of economics and from there we find that
it is the laws and directions of governments that
Eva:
At present large densities of people in Japan, Holland,
etc have high standard of living and falling birth rates.
agreed
At present population levels are not the cause of rising poverty,
but the insane structure of economics and distribution.
Without parasitic imports of
As I recall, this thread got started with a comment about many of the voters
seeming to be neither intelligent nor well-informed. I'm sure from many of
his postings that Ed Weick did not mean this in an elitist sense.
I don't think lack of intelligence is really the problem. I also do not
think
Durant wrote:
At the moment it is a big enough pie,
Not according to thousands of scientists including majority of living Nobel
winners. Not according to Wm. Rees Mathis Wackernagel, _The Ecological
Footprint_. Their estimate is that 2Billion is maximum population
sustainable at the *current
with short and varied working hours, a lifetime of
education and global flow of entertainment and information,
a continuous debate about decisionmaking, there would be
less boredom then now and less provincialism.
Eva
Two problems:
Boredom
Provincialism
Boredom will create despair.
Victor Milne:
As I recall, this thread got started with a comment about many of the
voters
seeming to be neither intelligent nor well-informed. I'm sure from many of
his postings that Ed Weick did not mean this in an elitist sense.
No, I didn't mean it in an elitist sense. I meant it very
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Steve Kurtz wrote:
I didn't coin this term.( Eva: 'Horn of Plenty' is another similiar term )
Here is a snippet from a paper "THE CORNUCOPIAN FALLACIES"
Lindsey Grant (1992)
An intense if intermittent debate is under way between
Re: William Rees and his "ecological footprint" . Most people still don't
"get" it. The Globe and Mail had an editorial yesterday ridiculing him
and maintaining everyone's right to go to Florida for the winter and to
drive a van. They see no limits to the size of the pie, as U.S. consumers
who
As an aside, although Einstein did not espouse a religion, he was a very
spiritual person. He said "I want to know the mind of God. The rest is
all details." He also understood that good science is a blending of
emotion and intellect. "The most beautiful experience we can have is
So Jay is too late with his dioff stuff, we are all dead...
this is a virtuall/mystical discussion on one of Mike's
astral planes...
Nothing to be done, everybody who can afford it - take your
break, follow Steve... I woman the barrikades on my own...
Eva
Not according to thousands of
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Caspar Davis wrote:
Please sign and pass on if you feel comfortable doing so:
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The Taliban's War on Women:
Please sign at the bottom to support, and include your town.
Then copy
I am advised on sound authority that when you send my original forward
of this name, with 50 signatures, to the recommended address, you get
in return a message saying that the address is no good.
I apologize for not checking this out prior to forwarding, and do not
recommend forwarding the
I like Thomas' suggestion for governance by a parliament comprised of
citizens chosen by lottery. It certainly eliminates a lot of distortions in
the system such as political parties, campaign donations by corporations,
etc.
I frankly don't think it has a hope in hell of ever being realized. In
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