Re: Basic Income

1998-09-06 Thread Durant
Countries like Sweden which taxed their wealthy heavily, but allowed for display of wealth, propered, even though the very wealthy left for lower taxed regimes. Sweden felt the pinch in the last decades with growing unemployment and stagnation, though ofcourse, the standard of living is

Re: Question: Was there ever a Yugoslavia?

1998-09-06 Thread Durant
There is no democracy on a cruise ship, but people seem to like 'em. They have a choice not to go. Democracy means that people choose their own laws together, and they are aware why the laws are necessary and that they can change them when circumstances change. The present version is only a

Re: collapse defined

1998-09-06 Thread Durant
All together now: let us discuss things and care for things, until we're all healthily tired, and then a good nite's rest (with the beeper turned off!) -- and more shared meals ["communion" with a small "c" -- I almost said: "communism" with a small "c", but I'm too much of a

Re: The Second Shoe (and its lost soul)

1998-09-06 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Durant wrote: This suggestion complies with the notion that capitalism was a dynamic, progressive, new development compared with the previous feudal rigidity. It played it's role, now it is but an obsticle in the way of the next stage... Eva I am not an expert on the history of Early

Re: Re Basic Income

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde
Dear Rob: A small correction on authorship. The quote was made by the columnist Weisman, the remarks ascribed to Mr. Krugman refered to "capital accounts". Thomas -Original Message- From: Rob Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Lunde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Future Work [EMAIL

Re: collapse defined + Prigogine

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde
-Original Message- From: Jay Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 5, 1998 8:12 PM Subject: Re: "collapse" defined + Prigogine Just imagine how fast the US would unravel if foreign oil were cut off. People in California who have to drive 40

Re: Re Basic Income

1998-09-06 Thread Ed Weick
Thomas Lunde: In summing up this lengthy rebuttal, I have had to do some soul searching about my concepts. Basically, I believe people come before profit and that people are more important than profit. If by this you mean that people should not be economically exploited, and that they should

Re: The X Files (deus ex machina excuses) Off topic....

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde
Dear Mark: Often there are posting I would like to reply to so I don't put them in a file folder and forget them. This one of yours was one of them and it has stood the test of time. -Original Message- From: Mark Measday [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL

FW: Re: Basic Income

1998-09-06 Thread Bob McDaniel
Hi all, Another approach to an income for all: I once made the simple extrapolation that, if the decision to automate remains the prerogative of individual firms, then the collective result may eventually be a totally automated economy (a version of "The Tragedy of the Commons)! With noone

Re: Basic Income (Individuality and Society, Jan Szczepansk

1998-09-06 Thread Durant
Thanks very much for the sumup. Just a couple of notes: - If someone writes beautifully that does not necessarily mean that his conclusions are right - if someone experienced things - same applies. Otherwise you should all believe me straight away, as I am probably the only one on this list who

FW: Re: Basic Income

1998-09-06 Thread Bob McDaniel
Hi all, Another approach to an income for all: I once made the simple extrapolation that, if the decision to automate remains the prerogative of individual firms, then the collective result may eventually be a totally automated economy (a version of "The Tragedy of the Commons)! With noone

Re: The Second Shoe (and its lost soul)

1998-09-06 Thread Durant
Is there an alternative? Could *Business Schools* be reorganized to teach entrepreneurship as an ethical vocation? Come now, if you are more ethical than the next guy, you lose the competition (you pay more wage, more for environmental protection etc.) Managers are taught to thoroughly

Re: collapse defined

1998-09-06 Thread Jay Hanson
definition a social being if you are human. The most efficient society is a fully democratic one, in which everybody has Most efficient? We ask, with David Hume, how do you know you are right? ( Hint: corporations, armies, football teams, etc. are not democratic. ) Jay

Apoligies to Mark Measday

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde

Re: Re: Basic Income

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde
Dear Bob: I went to the URL you posted and I must admit that the testimonials were awesome. However when I tried to follow some of the suggestions in red, my browser went nowhere - so I'm left with testimonials not content. However, to show that this is an area where I have had some thoughts,

Re: Question: Was there ever a Yugoslavia?

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde
Dear Eva: Let me weigh in with a few comments. -Original Message- From: Durant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 6, 1998 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Question: Was there ever a Yugoslavia? I think that Jay and I are not so sure that democracy *can*

Re: Some Thoughts

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde
Dear Heiner: Sorry for not including the original post of yours from which I got the URL to Peter's web page at www.metaself.org/. So here is your orginal post and the URL's should anyone else want to read them. Respectfully, Thomas Lunde YOU REALLY HAVE AN INTERSTING LIST THERE: "Culture

Re: Apoligies to Mark Measday

1998-09-06 Thread Thomas Lunde
-Original Message- From: Thomas Lunde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Future Work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 6, 1998 6:00 PM Subject: Apoligies to Mark Measday Dear Mark: Before you flame me, let me apoligise, as I read this posting, the comment "you'll have the answer you stupid jerk."

Re: Re Basic Income

1998-09-06 Thread Ed Weick
Ed said: In Economics 101, under "perfectly competitive equilibrium", everybody is paid their full worth, and there is no possibility of monopoly profit, since monopoly does not exist. However, like the much maligned economist's assumption of "rationality", perfectly competitive equilibrium is