I rarely completely agree with any posting. But I think Ed is right.
Rifkin is saying much that is rings true but he emphasizes the wrong
things. I see Rifkin delivering his message from a megaphone to a crowd
in the street. Too stark, too strident, too binary.
arthur
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From: Ed
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:14:11 -0500
From: tim rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: workfare for capital
It's time to introduce "workfare for capital"
By Jim Stanford
Frank Stronach, former CEO of Magna International, once explained why
companies weren't investing more in the production of
Excerpt from The Jobs Letter (with permission). So subscription info below
V O I C E S
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ON THE CLINTON POVERTY TOUR
" In a recent speech, Clinton compared himself to Franklin
Roosevelt. Both of them, he said, were "people who were
progressive, people who try to change things,
Ed Weick wrote,
I know that I'm being enormously unfair to Rifkin because
I've only been able to read the first few pages of anything
he's written without feeling that I'm being fleeced by a con man.
I can sympathize with Ed's reaction because Rifkin DOES use some pretty
goofy hyperbole.
Arthur and Ed's responses have given me pause. Let me see if I can sort
through these issues and get some help.
First, there seems agreement that the three sectors exist. Let us leave
Rifkin out of the mix for the moment because he represents one sector
trying to market this idea.
the question
My view is a function of things that I believe-- note I can't 'prove
them' just believe them:
1. That western capitalist society has solved the production
problem.
2. That we have not solved the distribution problem.
3. That good jobs for the broad
Tom Abeles said, in part (and in essence),
" One wonders when the banks will see another service, brokering
those who are indentured via their non-dischargeable credit card debt."
And yet that is the point, isn't it? Tom speaks of "cash", but (depending
on what he means by that), very
Well, while I was scribbling off line, Arthur, as usual, has said it well.
It is an issue of "effective demand": Plenty of goods (too many for Earth
to sustain, probably); plenty of people willing to acquire them
(unfortunately, and largely because of advertising only), yet no
"effective" way to
Anecdotal evidence that there may be just a smidgen of hype to the confident
notion that unemployment is not a problem in the U.S.
THOUSANDS OF APPLICANTS CROWD R.I. EVENT FOR SHOT AT MALL JOBS
By Associated Press, 07/15/99
PROVIDENCE - Demand for jobs at the Providence Place Mall is
Victor Milne has come up with some well reasoned arguments as a counter to
the position I took on Jeremy Rifkin's "Work, Social Capital, and the
Rebirth of the Civil Society: A Blueprint for a New Third Sector Politics."
In particular, he takes me to task for being optimistic about future
Michael Gurstein wrote:
One thing seems to be overlooked in the "end of work" argument--both
pro and con. While the evidence is still unclear as to whether
there is a net positive or negative impact of technology on the number of
jobs, there seems little doubt that technology is having a
I have been reading a book about the escalating forms of slavery throughout
the world and its relationship to the world population crisis and global
capital.
*Disposable People: New Slavery in the Global Economy* by Kevin Bales,
Bales estimates there are now 27 million people in forms of debt
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "unlikely.suspects": ;
Subject: Susan George- How to Win the War of Ideas:
It's easier for me to find useful material than to think it out for
myself. That being said, I
Sustainable Economics
by Barry Brooks
Introduction:
Durability is the key to building a
sustainable affluent economy. The use of durability would be simple and
painless if it didn't conflict with job creation. Our present
leaders insist that we need to produce and waste more and more
The Chicago TribuneJuly 12, 1999
A 'GROTESQUE' GAP:
The global economy's winners and losers are so far apart that balancing
efforts are needed to avoid disaster, according to a new UN overview.
By R.C. Longworth
Tribune Staff Writer
Michael Gurstein is right to distinguish between the end of work and the end
of jobs as we know them. As a parent, I can say for certain that the work
never ends. Not only may the number of those employed increase, as Mike
suggests. Many of those employed will be employed at more "jobs", whether
Sustainable Economics
by Barry Brooks
Introduction:
Durability is the key to building a
sustainable affluent economy. The use of durability would be simple and
painless if it didn't conflict with job creation. Our present
leaders insist that we need to produce and waste more and more
- Original Message -
From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Victor Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ian Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED];
'futurework' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 15, 1999 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Jeremy Rifkin - 1-6-99
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I simply do not agree with Victor's view that "many elements
Having grown up on the reservation which was the number one
toxic waste dump in America (Super-fund), where the houses
just dropped into cave-ins with people in them and where
the largest Indian nation West of the Mississippi River
and who had owned the state of Arkansas (correct pronunciation
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