Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-16 Thread Tom Walker
Eva Durant wrote, mass unemployment cuts the unions bargaining power due to cut in membership and that competitive pool of unemployed who are ready to work for less in worse conditions. Also the mass media for the last 30 years was constantly hammering the idea of unionism. Unemployment may

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-16 Thread Eva Durant
I agree with you; the leadership of the union tend to be right wing and to thrive on apathy. The only initiative comes from pressure from the memebership - when it happens. Eva mass unemployment cuts the unions bargaining power due to cut in membership and that competitive pool of

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-15 Thread Ed Weick
Brad McCormick: Slavery by identifiable persons, or slavery by "no one" ("The invisible hand" which supposedly gives even the CEOs of gigabillion dollar global corporations no choice -- but Marx already talked about this in Das Kapital, where he observed that the only way the work day was

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-14 Thread Ed Weick
Caspar Davis I am actually a great admirer of the market system, but two prerequisites for its effective function are perfect competitition (practically non-existent) and perfect information- almost as rare in the world of ubiquitous advertising and the corporate media. Like Marxism, the free

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-14 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Jay Hanson wrote: From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED] of their overlords. In comparison with the economic institutions of former times, I would take the market any day. There you have all the choices in the universe folks: either modern market slavery or even worse slavery. G If that

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-13 Thread Ed Weick
Let us make our meaning more precise. No society could, naturally, live for any length of time unless it possessed an economy of some sort; but previously to our time no economy has ever existed that, even in principle, was controlled by markets. In spite of the chorus of academic incantations so

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-13 Thread Jay Hanson
From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED] of their overlords. In comparison with the economic institutions of former times, I would take the market any day. There you have all the choices in the universe folks: either modern market slavery or even worse slavery. G If that ain't science, I don't know

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-13 Thread Caspar Davis
At 5:33 PM -0400 10/13/98, Ed Weick wrote, in part: The point I would make is that economies have to be powered by something - that is, they have to have a dominant institution which enables them to function. While it is true that, in the past, mankind was not subjected to gain and profit as

Re: SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

1998-10-13 Thread Caspar Davis
I am reminded by Arthur Cordell that pricing which includes ALL the true costs is another prerequisite of a real free market economy. The present system externalizes most true costs and internalizes (as profit) many benefits (such as rent for land and othr natural resources) which should rightly