Tom, we could have some fun here finding the oldest comments on these
matters. I was working with a student yesterday; we were finding
contemporary situations similar to those describe by some of the prophets
in the Hebrew(old) Testament. Amos and Isaiah had some interesting concerns.
Regards,
Caspar Davis:
Rifkin seems to want to bring the volunteer sector into the market
economy. I think we need to free people from the market so that they
can get on with the real work that needs to be done. This is largely
what happened in aboriginal and even medieval society. It took much
less than
Brian,
Agreed. I'm currently reading Thomas Mann's _Joseph and his Brothers_.
Tom, we could have some fun here finding the oldest comments on these
matters. I was working with a student yesterday; we were finding
contemporary situations similar to those describe by some of the prophets
in the
Victor,
I wanted to respond to your message. I think that there is a much broader
movement underway that just that a machine eliminates a job. Technology
has also eliminated the concept of permanent, full-time employment with
full benefits, security and the expectation of raises, increased
Re-posting this as it seems not to have got through our 'fire-wall'.
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Subject: Re: Views on Rifkin's theory?
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 2:59PM
Arthur Cordell wrote,
Technology is also labour empowering or enhancing
At 09:39 PM 11/19/98 -0800,[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Walker) wrote:
Pete Vincent
I think it could hardly be called _Rifkin's_ theory, as it has been
around an awfully long time, being discussed explicitly, for example,
in Robert Theobald's 1964(?) book.
I'd give it a much older pedigree than that.
Dear futurework and others,
I am delighted that we (on the futurework list) are getting onto the
issue of work, and welcome all of the thoughtful posts people have made
on that subject. Also with the recognition that Theobald was writing
about the issue 30 years before Rifkin, although the
Thank you for this. I've never seen it before, and it sure goes to the
heart of things. By the same token, farm labourers would work about ten
minutes a day and factory workers about the same amount of time. That
being the case, it would be simpler for everyone just to pay them not
to work, as
My interest was not so much in the provenance of "Rifkin's theory"--though
the quotation from Bertrand Russell was fascinating and instructive. I doubt
that Rifkin would claim to be the first to argue that the net effect of
technological innovation is a reduction in the number of available jobs.
Victor Milne wrote,
I find Rifkin's central argument quite compelling: that the net effect of
technology is to reduce the number of available jobs in the long run
Considering that the *purpose* of technology is to save labor, it would be
rather strange if it didn't reduce the number of
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arthur cordell
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Subject: Re: Views on Rifkin's theory?
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 11:48AM
Victor Milne wrote,
I find Rifkin's central argument quite compelling: that the net effect of
technology is to reduce the number
Arthur Cordell wrote,
Technology is also labour empowering or enhancing. McCluhan said it expands
our reach. Viz., right now I am posting this message to a computer in
Waterloo, Ontario that is forwarding to about 500 or so other computers
around the world.
This is what helps to make it a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Walker) wrote:
Victor Milne wrote,
I find Rifkin's central argument quite compelling: that the net effect of
technology is to reduce the number of available jobs in the long run
Considering that the *purpose* of technology is to save labor, it would be
rather strange if
Pete Vincent
I think it could hardly be called _Rifkin's_ theory, as it has been
around an awfully long time, being discussed explicitly, for example,
in Robert Theobald's 1964(?) book.
I'd give it a much older pedigree than that. Stephen Leacock started out as
a political economist and wrote a
My last posting did not come back to me, and I am assuming that it fell into
some kind of electronic crevice. My apologies if it did go to everyone else
and you have already read the substance of this.
Like Douglas Wilson I have been expecting to see a little more discussion of
the ostensible
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