Nice posting.
Tom Walker wrote:
[snip]
The logical flaws in the
conviction are immense and relate to the conflation of paid employment with
work and the failure to distinguish between superficial appearances and
the real relationships they are supposed to represent. Strictly speaking, it
is
Tom, just a short comment. A few years ago, when I did some work for the
federal department I had left a decade before, what struck me was how much
people talked about the long hours they were working. One would say he/she
was there till ten last night. Another would top that with ten thirty.
Occam's Razor.
There are 2 simple reasons why the industry opposes shorter work time:
1) Given that monthly salaries would (have to) stay about the same,
shorter work time means higher wages per hour -- not something
the industry wants.
2) Significant leisure would give some wage slaves
Brad McCormick wrote,
Nice posting.
Thanks.
What is Gradgrind? It sounds like a word we all should know, but I
don't recognize it unless it's how grade grind -- the pedagogical
avatar of long working hours is really spelled.
Mr. Gradgrind was a teacher in Dickens' Hard Times. Gradgrind is
Ed, I can confirm that this is still happening, even within the US federal
government work-force. I was working with a group there for a couple of
years, when Y2K came along. We were asked to design an emergency response
that could assist governments and organizations in some 70+ countries to
Of course all the points you make are important.
But there is also what I seem to recall that Marx
wrote somewhere in _Capital_: Some British employers
wanted to shorten their workers' hours, but they
could not do this by themselves, because they
knew they would be driven out of business by
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Tom Walker wrote:
Brad McCormick wrote,
Nice posting.
Thanks.
What is Gradgrind? It sounds like a word we all should know, but I
don't recognize it unless it's how grade grind -- the pedagogical
avatar of long working hours is really spelled.
Mr. Gradgrind was a teacher in
Yes, I just read this article also and agree with several factors it
mentioned that must take place in order for there to be a populist storm on
the near horizon:
1. The economy must slide further without a real recovery and
2. More of the public must feel affected and feel it enough to express
Brad McCormick wrote,
But there is also what I seem to recall that Marx
wrote somewhere in _Capital_: Some British employers
wanted to shorten their workers' hours, but they
could not do this by themselves, because they
knew they would be driven out of business by their
competitors who
Brad McCormick wrote:
Some British employers
wanted to shorten their workers' hours, but they
could not do this by themselves, because they
knew they would be driven out of business by their
competitors who did not cut working hours. What
permitted the shortening of working hours was
Brad:
Yup. So much for the benefits of corporate self-regulation...
But consider the alternative: COORDINATED ACTION AMONG
ENTERPRISES, AKA restraint of trade, oligopoly, cartels,
Alternative?? I thought corporate self-regulation _is_
coordinated action among enterprises...
Naah
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