Move over, America (was RE: The latest Krugman

2002-07-17 Thread Keith Hudson
Hi Karen, I much enjoyed your description of Bush and his origins. For the delectation of FWers who might have missed this previously I append it below. Over here, we know little about Texas apart from the fact that their window-cleaners have trucks the size of our fire-engines and that the

RE: More Porkie Pies?

2002-07-17 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Ahhh, if it were only that simple. Nationalization seemed to be the answer. But a takeover of private assets led to killing the golden goose in case after case. The market seems to be the way to harness greed and turn it into productivity. When the state runs things for the people , -- in

thought for the day

2002-07-17 Thread Tom Walker
Capitalism is a system of voluntary relationships within a legal framework that protects individual rights against force, fraud, theft, and contract violations. Morality is impossible unless one has the freedom to choose between alternative actions without outside coercion. Since capitalism is

Re: More Porkie Pies?

2002-07-17 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Arthur, You're making the same argument that ecologists make about the environment. Ray - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: RE: More Porkie Pies? Ahhh, if it were only that simple.

RE: More Porkie Pies?

2002-07-17 Thread Cordell . Arthur
I am referring to private goods. Commodities. There is a role for the state in theprovision of public goods. Goods which benefit most but where the benefits (profits) can't be privately appropriated. We tend to underproduce public goods. Private goods-- where profits can be privately

Re: FWk: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Plutocracy and Politics

2002-07-17 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Ah Pete, If I were gay I'd ask you for a date you big strong thinker you.But I have a question.Kramer, I can't remember his first name, of the money show Kudlow and Kramer claims that the odds for American Casinos are much more stable and better than the odds on Wall Street. He listed

RE: We're being sidelined tib

2002-07-17 Thread Lawrence DeBivort
Well, Keith, I have to rise to the bait. Especially as you have said you wouldn't argue back smile. snip Being scientifically trained (a long time ago!) I'm prejudiced, of course, but I'd venture to suggest that the greatest thinkers (and well-rounded ones, too) ever since the Enlightenment

RE: thought for the day

2002-07-17 Thread Lawrence DeBivort
Of course, in the same way that 'capitalism can promote morality and character development', it can equally promote immorality and character degeneration. I wonder why Younkins doesn't mention that? Or perhaps he did, elsewhere? Lawry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Ed Weick
Ed Weick wrote: [snip] I would also suggest that we might be concerned about too many kids going into math and science, rather than too few. We are in danger of turning out techno-robots rather than thinkers. Do you mean to imply that humanities graduates are more thinkers than

RE: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Gosh, Ed, if we no longer look at our kids as human resources needed to ensure that our productivity gains are at least equal to those of our global competitors, etc., then how are they ever going to become good citizens that invest their money in baseball cards (oops I meant stocks) and how are

RE: Move over, America (was RE: The latest Krugman

2002-07-17 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Keith, glad you enjoyed the brief prose on Texas, a place where I still have family and have lived. It's not as mythological as some think but not as blandly assimilated as others wish. I'm not up on Chinese research in biogenetics, but do keep a interested eye on the Chinese scene/market

Re: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Ed Weick
Hi Ed, At 11:53 16/07/02 -0400, you wrote: (KH) History shows that empires collapse when they stop developing their most advanced technologies and allow peripheral countries to do so. (Look at the way the British Empire collapsed last century when America smoothly took up and

Re: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Ed Weick
Sometimes I wish we could regress and evolve all over again. Ed Gosh, Ed, if we no longer look at our kids as human resources needed to ensure that our productivity gains are at least equal to those of our global competitors, etc., then how are they ever going to become good citizens that

Re: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Ed said in response to Keith: As a colony, St. Lucia is probably quite cheap to keep and may not want to become independent. I've met a few Jamaicans who felt that felt that their island was better off under Britain than it is now. St. Lucia has a terrible public health problem with

Re: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Ed Weick
I don't think we'll ever know who the greatest intellects of the past 250 years were. We can only know those who became famous and we usually pick Europeans. My own guess would be a Yanomami Indian who died in Brazil 138 years ago. And if not him, then an Ethiopian priest who died in Axum 215

Re: More Porkie Pies?

2002-07-17 Thread Christoph Reuss
Arthur Cordell replied: Ahhh, if it were only that simple. I thought so... (hence I wrote: Well, if it's that simple, ...) ^^ Nationalization seemed to be the answer. But a takeover of private assets led to killing the golden goose in case after

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-17 Thread Bruce Leier
Gee gang, The world must be different in places other than Minnesota. There have been many of us here believing and working to teach children how to teach themselves. But we constantly get waylaid by corporate and business interests that in essence say - such knowledge is dangerous. We must

RE: Cry for Argentina

2002-07-17 Thread Bruce Leier
Sorry Harry, Argentina went into the clutches of the IMF/WB long before 5,000% inflation. It was their idea to tie the peso to the dollar. Try to at least get your chrono in order. I know we could legitimately debate causes til peron resurrects, but lets get order straight. Bruce Leier

Re: More Porkie Pies?

2002-07-17 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Arthur, I certainly mean no disrespect to your knowledge on this. What I was referring to was the underlying mechanism of the market and how and how much it is manipulated by private or public interests. As a metaphor I wouldcite "nature i.e. wildness" versus a "garden" (classical

Re: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Ed Weick wrote: Ed Weick wrote: [snip] I would also suggest that we might be concerned about too many kids going into math and science, rather than too few. We are in danger of turning out techno-robots rather than thinkers. Do you mean to imply that humanities graduates are

Re: We're being sidelined (was Collapsing schools)

2002-07-17 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Ed Weick wrote: Sometimes I wish we could regress and evolve all over again. [snip] There was a science article in the NYT a while back that said that reptiles were on their way to evolving into upright bipeds with big brains -- until that big asteroid changed everything. One can only

Re: A return to the attempt to come up with simple assumptions

2002-07-17 Thread Harry Pollard
Bruce, I began the discussion with the two basic assumptions of Classical Political Economy: 1. People's desires are unlimited. 2. People seek to satisfy their desires with the least exertion. Keith added a third: 3. People have a curiosity beyond present needs for survival It should

The Jobs Letter No.169

2002-07-17 Thread vivian Hutchinson
T H E J O B S L E T T E R 1 6 9 - published in New Zealand 18 July 2002 I N T H I S I S S U E - MAYORS MEET WITH POLITICAL PARTIES MORE ELECTION 2002 POLICIES IN A LAND OF PLENTY — A

Re: FWk: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Plutocracy and Politics

2002-07-17 Thread pete
On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Ray Evans Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question.Kramer, I can't remember his first name, of the money show Kudlow and Kramer claims that the odds for American Casinos are much more stable and better than the odds on Wall Street. He listed them and