Unusual meeting?

2002-08-30 Thread Keith Hudson
On Tuesday, when the Saudi Arabian ambassador went to Bush's Texas ranch, the meeting was described by an official as unusual. Since then, one learns that only heads of state are usually accorded the 'privilege' of meeting Bush at his ranch -- Putin was there fairly recently I seem to remember.

I'm waiting

2002-08-30 Thread Keith Hudson
According to some of our newspapers this morning, there is now so much pressure from America's allies all round the world that Bush may be willing, after all, to seek United Nations backing for a war, or at least, a new UN resolution for weapons inspections in Iraq. On the face, this is an

Saudi Arabia

2002-08-30 Thread Ed Weick
An interesting contribution to a topic much discussed on this list recently. Ed Ed Weick577 Melbourne Ave.Ottawa, ON, K2A 1W7CanadaPhone (613) 728 4630Fax (613) 728 9382 The Saudi Arabia dilemmaGeorge Bush Sr. fears a Saudi collapse in another war with Iraq. George Jr. doesn't and will

Re: I'm waiting

2002-08-30 Thread William B Ward
Keith, I think that hope for a more stable Middle East with changes in governments is not realistic. In general, when governments change, the change is brought about by the most far out. I would guess that we need to be ready for a couple of decades of chaos to make up for our policies of

FW: Double Hypocrisy: Professing to enforce corporate accountability and human rights but ignoring both

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Aside from the primary topic of this article, it is worth noting this week while the Earth Summit meets in S. Africa that the Bush=Cheney administration is using a lot of political capital to maintain its unilateralist environmental positions. Increasingly, the environment is the future,

RE: I'm waiting

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
I've been wondering in the past few days what scenario might unfold that would allow Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld to save face if their initial full steam ahead effort did not succeed. Let's face it, when even normally polite and reticent Canada speaks up against what you are saying you have every

RE: FW: An Uncertain Britain

2002-08-30 Thread Cordell . Arthur
They also shared a certain superficiality. A concern with the self. -Original Message- From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:31 PM To: Keith Hudson; Karen Watters Cole Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: An Uncertain Britain Keith, I

Luttwak's weakness ( was Re: Saudi Arabia)

2002-08-30 Thread Keith Hudson
Ed, Edward Luttwak's article in the Globe Mail (30 August) that you posted is most interesting. His analysis of the Saudi/Iraq situation is much closer to mine than that of any other commentator I've read so far. We agree and disagree on two of the most important points that he makes. Where

RE: FW: An Uncertain Britain

2002-08-30 Thread Cordell . Arthur
KW I hesitate to mention it lest there is an onslaught of rehashed Clinton analysis, but with Clinton it was significant that he had an alcoholic and possibly abusive stepfather and was raised by a flamboyant mother. Protecting dark family secrets and promoting a public face were inherent in his

FW: The Earth Debate

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
For all those interested: NOW with Bill Moyers: Friday August 30, 2002 at 9pm ET on PBS (Check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/now/sched.html) NOW presents The Earth Debate, a special ninety-minute program from South Africa. This week the UN World Summit on Sustainable Development

FW Public-private partnerships)

2002-08-30 Thread S. Lerner
Something to think about while we await developments in Saudi Arabia... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:08:45 -0400 Winnipeg Free Press Monday, July 29th, 2002 Warning: The P3s are coming! Sunday, July 21st, 2002 MURRAY DOBBIN I am a definite outsider when it comes to corporations, so I

Re: I'm waiting

2002-08-30 Thread Harry Pollard
Keith, As I said, I think the target is Saudi Arabia - if things are not properly sorted out there. There is not a little hope in that statement - and the following - for a war against Iraq is about as potty a venture as we can have. However, if this is a beautiful bluff to get Saddam to

Re: FW: An Uncertain Britain

2002-08-30 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KW I hesitate to mention it lest there is an onslaught of rehashed Clinton analysis, but with Clinton it was significant that he had an alcoholic and possibly abusive stepfather and was raised by a flamboyant mother. Protecting dark family secrets and promoting a

Re: I'm waiting

2002-08-30 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Harry Pollard wrote: [snip] The question, which may soon be answered for us (keep ALL your fingers crossed) continues to be - is Bush still a conciliator, or has he been infected by Presidential hubris? [snip] Bush is #2. Who is #1? (ref.: The Prisoner) Who is pulling Bush-puppet's strings?

Re: Convinced yet? (The Trout)

2002-08-30 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
It seems to be increasingly clear that the emperor's (King Dubya I, or George II as you wish...) new clothes are not real but memorex. Osama is apparently still on the loose, but then we stopped considering him to be an important part of the problem as soon as we saw he wouldn't walk into the

Anti-war effort appears to be working

2002-08-30 Thread Dennis Paull
Hi Keith et al, Here is a report on a group here in the US that is actively lobbying against the Iraqi War. They have collected 160,000 names on their petition and sending them to Congress. Dennis Paull Half Moon Bay, CA ~~ Date:

Two-term President? ( was Re: I'm waiting

2002-08-30 Thread Keith Hudson
Harry, It's really all about Bush wanting to be a two-term president. There's the old tag: You can lie to all the people some of the time; you can lie to some of the people all of the time; but you can't lie to all the people all the time. In other words (and Blair should take this to heart,

RE: Deja Vu all over again (was I'm waiting)

2002-08-30 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Well, folks, it may be the surest confirmation of where we are going yet. I just skimmed through the toy section of the JCPenney Christmas catalog that, unfortunately, arrived today. There are four pages of GI Joe and Ultra Corps military action heroes stuff, including a $45 forward command

RE: FW: An Uncertain Britain

2002-08-30 Thread Harry Pollard
Karen, I doubt that Dubya has a need for popular election. He was elected according to the rules of the country. That's enough. He does have a need to be re-elected as do all politicians. As soon as they are elected, they think about re-election. Also, he wasn't elected by the US Supreme