Re: Bush now close to despair (was Re: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Keith Hudson
Hi Natalia, At 16:50 30/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: Hi Karen, Hi Keith, At long last, mass media in Canada has allowed 9-11 conspiracy theories to be aired. Just last night, CBC's Fifth Estate discussed the possibilities, along with the usual disclaimer... www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories I

Re: [Futurework] The reasons for our economic systems

2003-10-31 Thread Keith Hudson
Pete, I'll grant you that Helen Philips became confused later in the article (or at least didn't take enough care -- she is seemingly contradicting herself in places), and I think the sub-heading was added by an editor who hadn't read the article properly. But the the article is going into my

Re: [Futurework] Bootstrap development

2003-10-31 Thread Keith Hudson
Ed, At 11:54 30/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: From the recent decisions of Putin in prosecuting businessmen (though he deies that he is in any way involved!), it looks as though Russia is going backwards to its Communist/Tsarist past. Keith Yes, I think something like that may be happening, though

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Ed Weick
REH: That is my problem with "social" experiments like economic systems that have been put in place based upon theory but with inadaquate "checks and balances" to assure the "guinea pigs" that they can still survive and even be happy should it fail or need "tweaking." Mengele assumed Jews

[Futurework] Neuroscience to social science

2003-10-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Based on prior conversations on the list, this should be of interest. Also nice to know that TV reruns can be health educational material. See below. KWC U.S. National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine (IOM) Annual Meeting 2003 http://www.iom.edu/event.asp?id=10244 THE SCIENTIST

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Yes, Animal experimentation. REH - Original Message - From: Ed Weick To: Ray Evans Harrell ; Harry Pollard ; 'Keith Hudson' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Ed Weick
Yes, Animal experimentation. REH Ah yes, but a church minister I know says that animals don't have souls, so it's probably OK. Ed - Original Message - From: Ray Evans Harrell To: Ed Weick ; Harry Pollard ; 'Keith Hudson' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Re: [Futurework] Fw: All the President's votes? [long; important]

2003-10-31 Thread Ed Weick
Harry, my problem is that I'm not very sophisticated. I hold to a naive belief that politicians should operate from a body of principles and not be elected simply because they project the kind of image that appears right at the moment. When I was a kid in rural Saskatchewan, there were

[Futurework] web gleanings

2003-10-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Gleaned from an abundance of interesting items at Public Education Network newsweekly: www.publiceducation.org Schools With Poor, Minority Students Get Less State Funds School districts in Illinois and New York that have large numbers of poor students get some $2,200 less in state and

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Hitler claimed the same about Jews and Gypsies. REH - Original Message - From: Ed Weick To: Ray Evans Harrell ; Harry Pollard ; 'Keith Hudson' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework]

RE: Re: [Futurework] All the President's votes?

2003-10-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Ed, Harry, these are good comments about the nature of politicians and the publics often naïve expectations about them and by extension, government. There are still politicians with principles around, and Sen. Bobby Byrd comes quickly to mind, as irascible as he can be. The trouble

Re: [Futurework] web gleanings

2003-10-31 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Not bad for someone from a reservation school, no? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/31/arts/music/31RORE.html http://www.theatrescene.net/ts/articles.nsf/MOpera/D53DDCA7E09F62AD85256DCD003DC28E REH - Original Message - From: Karen Watters Cole To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re: [Futurework] Fw: All the President's votes? [long; impo rtant]

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Buckley the Conservative once said I would trust the first 100 names in the Boston phone book to represent me than the US senators there now. Only thing he ever said that made sense. arthur -Original Message- From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003

RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Are there URLs, books or commentators that you can suggest that as you say "don't have axes to grind, and who are curious and continuously updating their views and their information from primary sources. They generally know the language of the peoples they are studying, and so can access

RE: [Futurework] Another lesson California can give us

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
"you reap what you sow" The sad part is seeing on TVall the firefighters trying to save the large houses of the rich in Chatsworth. The rich who are probably well insured and holed up in an expensive hotel or condo far away from the action. arthur -Original Message-From: Karen

[Futurework] A critique of Stephen Roach (was Interesting think piece/report)

2003-10-31 Thread Keith Hudson
Arthur, Thanks for pointing us to Stephen Roach's articles. I have only dwelt on the second one here. Maybe someone else will discuss the first. I regard Stephen Roach, Morgan Stanley's chief economist and Director of Global Economic Analysis, as one of the best economists writing today. I've

RE: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Ed asks, Can you imagine anything more bizarre? arthur, Walk into an experimental psychology lab and see the way the "researchers" deal with dogs, cats and rats. Mengele all over again, except the "researchers" have no idea of the pain they are causing. -Original Message-From:

[Futurework] trick or treat

2003-10-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Just in time for Halloween - Mark Fiores animated Energy Bill @ http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/fiore/

[Futurework] RE: A critique of Stephen Roach (was Interesting think piece/repo rt)

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Keith, But in case I seem too critical of Stephen Roach, let me dart to the middle of his article and quote what I think is a quite brilliant aperçu: "The asymmetrical impacts of the global labor arbitrage lie at the heart of the great politgical debate now swirling in the United States

RE: Re: [Futurework] Fw: All the President's votes? [long; impo rtant]

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Principles have morphed into image. -Original Message-From: Ed Weick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:35 AMTo: Harry Pollard; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Re: [Futurework] Fw: All the President's votes? [long; important] Harry, my problem is

RE: Re: [Futurework] All the President's votes?

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Karen, type in "senator robert byrd" kkk in Google and you will see your hero in a rather different light. -Original Message-From: Karen Watters Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:25 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Re: [Futurework] All

[Futurework] blogs and elections

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
10. The New Road to the White House When they write the account of the 2004 campaign, it will include at least one word that has never appeared in any presidential history: blog. Whether or not it elects the next president, the blog may be the first innovation from the Internet to make a real

RE: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Ed says, Ah yes, but a church minister I know says that animals don't have souls, so it's probably OK. arthur replies, After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands. Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900 -Original Message-From: Ray Evans

RE: [Futurework] web gleanings

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Congratulations!!! -Original Message-From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:26 AMTo: Karen Watters Cole; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Futurework] web gleanings Not bad for someone from a reservation school, no?

RE: Re: [Futurework] All the President's votes?

2003-10-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Please, Arthur, lets not use the word hero with anyone in politics today. Im a great believer in mythological heroes, some military heroes, sports heroes, and especially fire fighters, police, medical and science research heroes, and everyday heroes. Yes, Byrd has a colored past, as do

RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Lawrence DeBivort
Can you specify the subject matter? Lawry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Fri, October 31, 2003 11:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date

RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
You said, . On MIddle Eastern matters, there are several scholars andobserversI trust Can you suggest names, books or URLs? -Original Message-From: Lawrence DeBivort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:41 PMTo: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL

Re: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Or you can learn the languages. It was the study of the great songs of Italy, Germany, France and Russia that opened me to working with the Farsi and the Japanese. Then having them come here and sing English, which they didn't understand very well if at all, taught me how foolish I was to

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
absolutely. REH - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: RE: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework]

Re: [Futurework] blogs and elections

2003-10-31 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Well put, but can we have a constitution for the internet doing away with the chaos of an articles of confederation so that we can do both, have freedom and some sense of direction to the whole? Maybe through checks and balances of some sort? Ray Evans Harrell - Original Message -

RE: [Futurework] clarification: All the President's votes?

2003-10-31 Thread Karen Watters Cole
After an offline query, Id like to clarify something from my last post, in which I detailed that Sen. Ron Wyden is a Jew, but did not mention religious affiliation of any of the other names. The short answer is that I am familiar with Wyden, but not the others mentioned. In a very

RE: [Futurework] blogs and elections

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Here is the rest of the article. At least as important as the part included. = None of this works unless the blog community is authentic. And that requires that members feel they own their gabbing space. A managed community works about as well as a

RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Cordell . Arthur
It is good to try to understand these issues through new prisms. thanx arthur -Original Message-From: Lawrence DeBivort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:16 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Lawrence DeBivort
Agreed, Arthur. If you want to zoom in on more specific topics (related to areas I know something about!) let me know and I'll suggest other useful sources. Cheers, Lawry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Ed Weick
I would agree thatthe way animals are treated is also bizarre, but Mengele was experimenting on human children and must have hada pretty good idea of the pain he was causing. Ed - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;

Re: [Futurework] Talmud vs. Science

2003-10-31 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Christoph Reuss wrote: Brad McCormick wrote: Alas, things are not so simple, since god provides both orgasms and oncogenes. The penile cancer myth has long been debunked -- on the contrary, the circumcision scar can lead to cancer (or kills directly..). See e.g.

Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Ray Evans Harrell wrote: How would jobs look for people? REH Headhunters. \brad mccormick -- Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works (Matt 5:16) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21) ![%THINK;[SGML+APL]] Brad

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread pete
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ray Evans Harrell From: Ed Weick Experiments did not end with the death of the twins. Dissection of the corpses for final medical analysis is well documented by Nyiszli and by Lifton. (http://www.candles-museum.com/mengele.htm)

RE: [Futurework] Ramadan a launch date for global terror?

2003-10-31 Thread Harry Pollard
Lawry, Keith, in particular, was not very happy about my posting Stein's article, in which he wandered around the hinterland of Iraq, including Saddam land and the northern oilfield, apparently without being harmed or even fearing harm. This, because Stein's truth was not the revealed

Re: You are naive (was Re: [Futurework] Walmart and the American dream

2003-10-31 Thread Ed Weick
Look, I wasn't taking my minister seriously. I don't even know if I have a soul, let alone if animals do. If I get to Heaven, the first thing I'll do is whistle, and hopefully all of the fidos and puss-cats I've ever owned will come bounding out and we'll all have a great walk together! Ed