REH:
That is my problem with "social" experiments like
economic systems that have been put in place based upon theory but with
inadaquate "checks and balances" to assure the "guinea pigs" that they can still
survive and even be happy should it fail or need "tweaking."
Mengele assumed Jews
Yes,
Animal experimentation.
REH
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Yes,
Animal experimentation.
REH
Ah yes, but a church minister I know says that animals don't have souls, so
it's probably OK.
Ed
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Hitler claimed the same about Jews and
Gypsies.
REH
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Ed
asks,
Can you imagine anything more bizarre?
arthur,
Walk into an
experimental psychology lab and see the way the "researchers" deal with dogs,
cats and rats. Mengele all over again, except the "researchers" have no
idea of the pain they are causing.
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Ed
says,
Ah yes, but a church minister I know says that animals don't have souls, so
it's probably OK.
arthur
replies,
After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my
hands.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900
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absolutely.
REH
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I would agree thatthe way animals are treated is
also bizarre, but Mengele was experimenting on human children and must have
hada pretty good idea of the pain he was causing.
Ed
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From: Ed Weick
Experiments did not end with the death of the twins. Dissection of the
corpses for final medical analysis is well documented by Nyiszli
and by Lifton. (http://www.candles-museum.com/mengele.htm)
Look, I wasn't taking my minister seriously. I don't even know if I have a
soul, let alone if animals do. If I get to Heaven, the first thing I'll do
is whistle, and hopefully all of the fidos and puss-cats I've ever owned
will come bounding out and we'll all have a great walk together!
Ed
Bravo Harry,
Very elegantly put. Now for a couple of
things. "Simple" is an interesting word. Would
younot not agree that "simple" for Horowitz (on the piano)is
not the same as "simple" for Liebowitz (the writer)even though their names
are similar? Complexity always depends upon
Gentlemen,
As you might expect, I have a rather more simple view of
human behavior.
There seems to be a certain acceptance of experimental
research that is based more on the reports of these efforts, than the actual
research. Any scientific research is full of maybe's, and perhaps, and
Ed,
At 18:04 27/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
I
believe I started all of this by rather innocently posting an article
from the NYTimes dealing with cheap illegal immigrant labour doing
cleaning work at Walmart. Personally, because I have first hand
familiarity with what second generations can
Keith, you seem to attribute almost all of human behaviour
to motives like gaining status and ensuring the preservation of one's genetic
code. By your view of it, a behaviour like altruism is not something based on
morality, on wanting to do 'right' by others and wanting others to do right
To add
to your list.
6. An
individual will seek out others just for the sheer joy of learning and seeing
old situations and things in new ways.
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2:16 AMTo: Ed WeickCc: Harry
Ed,
At 11:23 28/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Keith,
you seem to attribute almost all of human behaviour to motives like
gaining status and ensuring the preservation of one's genetic code.
Every single lifeform acts to preserve its genetic code more than
anything else. In primate societies, rank
My new stuff in in maroon.
Ed
Every single lifeform
acts to preserve its genetic code more than anything else. In primate societies,
rank order is the main device that has evolved for the selection of sexual
partners. It's as basic and important as that.
Well, I'm not really sure of what
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