The following is an extended version of my posting of
yesterday:
192. ... that dare not speak its name
Over the past year or so, there has been one political incident which has
puzzled me more than any other. I've thought the obvious thought, and
then brushed it away. But the puzzlement
Ray,
Very interesting -- thanks.
Keith
At 11:59 03/12/03 -0500, you wrote:
Hey Keith,
Your point is well made,
Here is an article from Molly Ivins with more informations for both you and
Harry.
REH
The Uncompassionate Conservative
It's not that he's mean. It's just that when it comes to
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They don't need money, Thomas. They need justice and the freedom to enjoy it.
Harry
Thomas:
In a way, you are right. Being poor and working with the poor as customers and neighbours let's me
Hi Ray:
One of the few times I disagree. DN's passionate response is more to my
liking. Still, drafting to a Peace Corp or Environment Core and investing 2
years in the greater good may suffice as a reason to draft.
Respectfully,
Thomas Lunde
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From: Darryl and Natalia [EMAIL
Eventually machine intelligence will replace human intelligence throughout
the economy. Wonder if the final outcome will be good or bad
Productivity will have increased but human interaction (at least in these
traditional areas such as education and probably health care) will have
decreased.
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So
what if all the righteous middle class people stopped sending their unused
canned goods to the food banks? Well the hungry people might just vote in
a government that promises radical
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So are you all saying thatyou need the poor to
makeyou feel OK? Rather than Keith's novelty as the
prime moving force its Harry's laziness and the need to justify it?
I would question how much of
When house-builder clients of mine went bankrupt in the
1989/90 property crash, owing me a great deal more money than I
possessed, I had to liquidate my business very quickly. However, I
tempted four of my key staff with half-salaries and recommenced working
from home, which was fortunately
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Thomas, very good posting. Ontario has just
raised the minimum wage from peanuts to peanuts. Many of the poor are
working full time and even double time, but are still unable to meet the rent or
If the accounts of the developed nations were judged in the
same way that businesses were, then they would have declared bankrupt a
long time ago and their directors taken to court for irresponsible
behaviour, if not downright criminality in raiding their employees'
pensions funds. For that, in
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eventually machine intelligence will replace human intelligence
throughout the economy. Wonder if the final outcome will be good or
bad Productivity will have increased but human interaction (at least in
these traditional areas such as education
I've attached the newsletter, since it flags a website of possible
interest to those pondering robotics:
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-freedom.htm
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:54:08 +0100
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So
what if all the righteous middle class people stopped sending their unused
canned goods to the food banks? Well the hungry people might just vote in
a government that promises radical
I was educated in the 1950s and 1960s. Until I retired from the Canadian
public service some sixteen years ago, I had always worked in hierarchical,
stratified institutions. In government, my Minister sat at the top, my Deputy
Minister just a little below him, my Assistant Deputy below him,
So,
We will finally have the opportunity to prove whether we
are human or just "minor" animals. All of our accomplishments
will have bred empathy and the impulse to community out of our
genes and we will join the wolverines as the most feared and dangerous animals
on the planet. The Sioux
Currently, the
big money man the Bush2 loyalists love to hate, George Soros pens commentary on
Bush foreign policy. I am
excerpting here from about midpoint in this essay, which appears in the current
issue of The Atlantic Monthly. You
will see some familiar phrases here. - KWC
The
As the saying goes, the smarter the machine the dumber need be the operator.
With machine intelligence there will be little need for operators to know
anything but punching in the codes--this goes for computerized machine tools
or smart microwaves or smart cars.
arthur
-Original
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As my
colleague who was born in India says, the first picture of a Canadian child
dying with a distended belly will be the spark that ignites governments to end
this current (farcical) set of
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I agree with the concept of a basic income or
guaranteed annual income, but I don't think there's been much discussion of it
in government since the early 1990s, and certainly nothing very
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, pete wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eventually machine intelligence will replace human intelligence
throughout the economy. Wonder if the final outcome will be good or
bad Productivity will have increased but human interaction (at least in
these
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As I
said. There is no incentive to change. I hate to say it but food
banks are part of the problem.
arthur
-Original Message-From: Ed Weick
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday,
Sorry Keith,
Buts its the emotional stuff like this that makes
me doubt your science. First of all, if the government ran
everything in a business like fashion they would bankrupt
business. Business couldn't compete. It is the
government's job to take up the slack and create a situation
FWP
But I am sure we can use the teaching
machine optimally and still retain the option of calling in human teachers
as we (the students) wish.
arthur
Who pays the teachers? The idea is to displace humans, especially the high
paid ones.
-Original Message-
From: Franklin Wayne
Or, in the words of Forest Gump, Stupid is as stupid does. What we call
intelligence aint all it is cracked up to be. Take it from someone who
has given thousands of IQ and IQ-like tests in research and clinical
practice. How intelligent is the blind use of algorithms to do mental
arithmetic; or
When computer scientists programmed the Skytrain which travels across the
Vancouver megalopolis, the human train operators were rendered
unnecessary. Who paid them? I just audited COMP 2425 at BCIT which is
taught all over the world (intro C programming). Currently Dr. Mehta
(who has the
And we end up with a computerized society.
I think you are correctly pointing to the trends underway. And I wonder how
things will sort out.
Time to re-read Kurt Vonnegut's Player Piano.
arthur
-Original Message-
From: Franklin Wayne Poley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday,
Arthur Cordell wrote:
We can end poverty. There can be a basic income.
Who is supposed to pay a general BI ? It would be just fighting symptoms
anyway, worsening the causes.
There's a better system: Have an education system that minimizes the
number of people who can't make ends meet. For
The essay says: "Similarly, Norway's supposedly separate rainy-day fund,
financed from oil and gas revenues, was raided in 2001 to meet immediate
budgetary pressures"
It is wrong. It si decided that not more money
shall be taken from the fund than goes into it. But since a large part of
Chris, I think you and Harry might just have something in common with this
idea.
Your plan assumes some degree of social cohesion (that there are relatives
that there is a local community.) Assumptions aside, I like the idea. So
count me in with you and, perhaps, Harry.
arthur
-Original
Sally where are you?
REH
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Chris, I think you and Harry
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