Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-31 Thread Dan Espen
Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:08:48PM -0500, Paul Smith wrote: So what do you have then? Ironically enough, what you probably have is that only people who are _not_ ethical will be using your software... to me this seems counterproductive in the

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-31 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 06:33:24AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:08:48PM -0500, Paul Smith wrote: So what do you have then? Ironically enough, what you probably have is that only people who are _not_ ethical will be using

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-31 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 08:16:38AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 06:33:24AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:08:48PM -0500, Paul Smith wrote: So what do you have

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-31 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:27:15AM -0500, Paul Smith wrote: %% Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: And so it goes. dv It should be clear by now that I would not object to more of these dv statements. Other people have the same right to do so as I have. So, let me ask you

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-31 Thread Ian Remmler
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:38:04AM +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: It should be clear by now that I would not object to more of these statements. Other people have the same right to do so as I have. I believe that including the ethical license with FVWM is unethical. Can I add a statement to the

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-31 Thread Paul Smith
%% Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: dv *Shrug* This discussion is becoming moot. I will not tolerate dv anymore that my work takes a part in killing. If the only way to dv do it is to stop development of fvwm and somehow prevent that fvwm dv is distributed, then I have to do

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-30 Thread larry gensch
Dominick recently wrote: Wrapping up the answers to several posts: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 09:26:45AM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: Good morning Fvwm Workers, How about making a statement on the fvwm web site instead of a new license? Strictly speaking, it is no more than a statement,

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-30 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
I really don't like to answer this message, because I don't see a point. We speak now which ethics is better, but this is irrelevant, the developers (at least the ones who answered) expressed a wish not to mix ethics with software. Anyway, it seems Dominik wants to talk about ethics, so I will

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-30 Thread dominik . vogt
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 04:30:25PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: I really don't like to answer this message, because I don't see a point. We speak now which ethics is better, but this is irrelevant, the developers (at least the ones who answered) expressed a wish not to mix ethics with

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-30 Thread dominik . vogt
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:20:24AM -0500, larry gensch wrote: Dominick recently wrote: Wrapping up the answers to several posts: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 09:26:45AM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: Good morning Fvwm Workers, How about making a statement on the fvwm web site instead of

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-30 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
Well, it got too much into politics to continue it. The Dominik's reply makes some incorrect assumtions like I am from US and do not know facts. I am from one of the several countries that commanded all citizens to carry gaz masks with themselves (because Iraq may still respond although most of

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-30 Thread Paul Smith
Hi Dominik... There has been a lot of discussion about whether the ideas expressed in the ethical license are really ethical or not (is it ethical to kill a person? Is it ethical to not kill a person who is directly threatening yourself or your children? Etc.) This kind of thing is,

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-29 Thread Uwe Pross
Good morning Fvwm Workers, How about making a statement on the fvwm web site instead of a new license? We could place some comments on the war and the usage of fvwm either on the start page or on the download page. We could say that we are against violation of human rights (and terrorism) and

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-29 Thread Tim Phipps
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - COPYING --- Before using this software, every user is expected to read the statements in the file ETHICAL_LICENSE that comes with the fvwm distribution.

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-29 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 29 Mar 2003 11:24:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:35:02AM +, Tim Phipps wrote: I would be OK with you adding this to COPYING: === Before using this software, please read the ETHICAL_LICENSE file that comes with the fvwm distribution. === In

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-29 Thread dominik . vogt
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:50:00PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: On 29 Mar 2003 11:24:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:35:02AM +, Tim Phipps wrote: I would be OK with you adding this to COPYING: === Before using this software, please read the

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-29 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 12:50 29 Mar 2003, Mikhael Goikhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Not me I'm afraid, I'm British and I agree with the war against | the Iraqi dictatorship. | | I do not understand this. In how far does being British, German, | American, Chinese or Martian affect ethics? | | If this does

The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread dominik . vogt
I have checked in a new license file with ethical license terms to the development branch. See below for the contents of this file. Furthermore, I added this statement to the beginning of the COPYING file: Before using this software, every user is required to read the fair use statement in

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread Paul Smith
%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dv Legally, fvwm is distributed under the terms of the GNU General dv Public License. However, the events following the 9th of dv September, 2001 I assume you mean 11 Sep 2001. -- ---

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread dominik . vogt
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 05:44:11PM -0500, Paul Smith wrote: %% [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dv Legally, fvwm is distributed under the terms of the GNU General dv Public License. However, the events following the 9th of dv September, 2001 I assume you mean 11 Sep 2001. Yes, sure. It's

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread dominik . vogt
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 05:47:32PM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have checked in a new license file with ethical license terms to the development branch. See below for the contents of this file. Furthermore, I added this statement to the beginning of the COPYING

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread dominik . vogt
Let's make this perfectly clear: 1. I do not accept that anybody takes advantage of *my* work to support killing in any way (and I mean *any* way). Not even if it were my own parents. 2. The decision which of my actions are meant to be embedded in an ethical context is mine to make. 3. I do

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread dominik . vogt
New version, with the noteworthy changes underlined: -- - COPYING --- Before using this software, every user is expected to read the statements in the file ETHICAL_LICENSE that comes with the

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread Ben Mathews
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please tell me your comments, enhancements, critique, etc. Also, I ask everyone who ever made any change to the CVS repository or submitted a patch to support this license and have his or her name added to the list of subscribers. Although my contributions are

Re: The fvwm Ethical License

2003-03-28 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 28 Mar 2003 17:47:32 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have checked in a new license file with ethical license terms to the development branch. See below for the contents of this file. Furthermore, I added this statement to the beginning of the COPYING file: