Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-14 Thread Mikael Byström
Timothy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't even know what Sasser does. See what a few months with a Mac does to a guy? That kind of ignorance is wonderful, isn't it? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-13 Thread Timothy Luoma
.. Original Message ... On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:57:19 -0700 Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be truthful, Timothy also said he 'practices safe computing' which would include keeping your systems up-to-date. Sasser exploited a hole that had been patched several weeks or months

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Mikael Byström
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, but transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't just do it 'accidentally'. Word viruses can survive a

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Mikael Byström
Thomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You can't possibly spread them to anyone else unless you physically include the virus infested attachment when you send you email to a windows machine. Never heard of Word viruses? This is in my circles, a bunch of Mac users at work and in school and with many

Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

2004-08-12 Thread Luis Sequeira
I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through email. I believe I am

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 11, 2004, at 5:40 PM, B Gardner wrote: I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least of my problems but I am getting an

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 12, 2004, at 5:36 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, but transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't just do

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Bill Buckhaults
Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user?? Bill Bruce Johnson wrote: On Aug 11, 2004, at 5:40 PM, B Gardner wrote: I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Mikael Byström
Bill, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user?? Obviously. Though a well behaved user would of course try first to make sure they didn't forward it. One way is to clean the attachment with a modern word app as Bruce suggested or as I

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Mikael Byström
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Looking at the logs of our AV server on the network, I see NO Word macro viruses found in a long long time. Moreover, modern versions of Word warn you when a file is opened with macros in it, and offer you the choice of opening it without them present.

Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

2004-08-12 Thread Mikael Byström
Luis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There is no way you are passing those virus unwillingly. Unknowingly there are ways to pass on viruses. One favorite among people I exchange messages with are forwarding of Word files (30+ infected in the last few years) and also other formats, that they for reasons,

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 12, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Bill Buckhaults wrote: Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user?? Bill Possibly. It depends on the person and their mail client on the other end, forwarding the e-mail may make the attachment harder to strip out and execute. But,

Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

2004-08-12 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 12, 2004, at 11:18 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Also, you're forgetting social viruses like hoaxmail. I regard these as human mind viruses and obviously they don't harm computers, but these are still annoying as they come from people you don't want to filter and that should know better.

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Timothy Luoma
On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.) Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious origin. I consider AV a waste of $$ and RAM for

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread John
Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.) Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious origin. Not true at all! My

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-12 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 12, 2004, at 1:55 PM, John wrote: Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.) Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files

Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

2004-08-12 Thread Mikael Byström
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: After 10 years we have finally gotten the majority of our users to recognize these as the hoaxes they are, but it took a long, long time. Tell me about it. :) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronics

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread Andrew Main
The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don As I understand it, the two are different in what they do, though I'm not clear exactly how: DW has always been

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread Tim Hodgson
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 4:52 am -0600, Andrew Main wrote: The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don As I understand it, the two are different in what they

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread Andrew Main
TimH wrote: Tidbits (www.tidbits.com) had a very thorough report on current disk utilities a couple of months ago - it'll be archived on their site. Indeed; here it is: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07451 (Note link to TTP 4 review at right.) Andrew Main -- G-Books is sponsored by

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 8/10/04 11:56 PM, Don P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? You are never too skinny, you never have too much money, your

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread Aaron Willems
I use both. I use Techtool Pro, when I want to test hardware. When it comes to repairing the OS, I use Diskwarrior. If you can only afford one know, it's best to start with DiskWarrior. Later on, you can get TechTool Pro. If you have a newer Mac, and you purchased AppleCare, TechTool Pro comes

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread B Gardner
Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you recommend in the way of Virus software? While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see alot of emails that are carrying viruses around. But in general what do you recommend? Thanks, Byron Gardner On Aug

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread Aaron Willems
Bryon, To be perfectly honest with you, I don't run anti-virus software on my Mac. I don't find it necessary. I know what to look for. I just delete it when it comes in. None of the current viruses out there effect the Mac platform. They are all Windows viruses. It doesn't mean that someday,

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 11, 2004, at 4:50 PM, B Gardner wrote: Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you recommend in the way of Virus software? While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see alot of emails that are carrying viruses around. Sigh. THERE ARE NO MAC

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread B Gardner
I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through email. I believe I

Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-11 Thread Thomas Ethen
You can't possibly spread them to anyone else unless you physically include the virus infested attachment when you send you email to a windows machine. Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | --

DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

2004-08-10 Thread Don P.
The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don From today's MacFixIt: 1. Make sure your hard drive is in good shape: Boot from the OS X Install CD and run Disk