Re: [Megillot] The Rise of the Pharisees in Qumran texts

2006-09-26 Thread RUSSELLGMIRKIN
Greg, Good to see someone who engages on details. Here is the rabbinical data with a critical discussion. m Abot 1.1-4 reads, "(1) Moses received the Torah from Sinai and handed it on to Joshua, Joshua to the Elders, the Elders to the Prophets; and the Prophets handed it on to the men of

[Megillot] The Rise of the Pharisees in Qumran texts; TR

2006-09-25 Thread GREG Doudna
Russell, I have been reading your scenario carefully and fail to follow you on two points: a) you cite the Onias III/Menalaus/Simon conflicts of I/II Macc. and say this suggests the Pharisees started in this context, first generation post-Simon II. However nothing in rabbinical tradition

Re: [Megillot] The Rise of the Pharisees in Qumran texts

2006-09-24 Thread RUSSELLGMIRKIN
Slight typo: 4QMMT is IMO best interpreted as an appeal by the Sadducees for the Maccabeans (Hasidim) _NOT_ to adopt Pharisee practices in the newly dedicated temple of 164 BCE. Russell Gmirkin