Re: gEDA-dev: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread Evan Lavelle
Levente wrote: I think the dependency hell is provided by your OS, not by the human nor gEDA. If someone can't figure out the dependencies, (s)he can't use gEDA, and I think no other EDA toolset. No. I currently use four EDA packages on Linux, for ASIC and FPGA design and verification, and I

Re: gEDA-dev: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread Russell Shaw
Bob Paddock wrote: On Monday 31 July 2006 05:26, Levente wrote: If you have a $10k worth of software, use that. gEDA is for thoes, who don't (wanna) have. I have the $15k+ software, Protel, and I think it sucks compared to gEDA/PCB. It has become so bloated that there is no consistency in

Re: gEDA-dev: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread John Sheahan
Bob Paddock wrote: I think Windows is all I'm allowed to use at work. Like it or not any EDA tool must run on Windows, or gEDA's [and friends are] dead in the water if you're only interested in Linux hobbyists. Sorry. Last I checked ASIC was an EDA market - and also one where windows is

gEDA-dev: Gschem and Cairo -- stretchable symbols

2006-07-31 Thread John Griessen
The ability to have a GUI that can use SVG is possibly going to be worth the extra dependency some day, especially if it is becoming mainstream use with GTK, it will not be one of the unpopular dependencies that thwarts newbies. SVG is great for postscript-like one-way output, but it also

Re: gEDA-dev: Re: [Gnucap-devel] Gnucap docs build failure on FC5 (and other places)

2006-07-31 Thread John Griessen
This paragraph would be helpful in the README.cvs file John G Dan McMahill wrote: When the build system is used to generate the distfile ('make dist' or preferably 'make distcheck') then the .dvi, .pdf, and .html versions of the manual are included in the distfile. If you do not use 'make

Re: gEDA-dev: Re: [Gnucap-devel] Gnucap docs build failure on FC5 (and other places)

2006-07-31 Thread Dan McMahill
John Griessen wrote: This paragraph would be helpful in the README.cvs file John G Dan McMahill wrote: When the build system is used to generate the distfile ('make dist' or preferably 'make distcheck') then the .dvi, .pdf, and .html versions of the manual are included in the distfile.

gEDA-dev: Re: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread Stephen Williams
Levente wrote: I think the dependency hell is provided by your OS, not by the human nor gEDA. If someone can't figure out the dependencies, (s)he can't use gEDA, and I think no other EDA toolset. Nonsense. There are plenty of (expensive) software packages that do *not* impose on a user

Re: gEDA-dev: Re: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread Mike Jarabek
Hi, To interject my $0.02 CDN. Stephen Williams wrote: Levente wrote: I think the "dependency hell" is provided by your OS, not by the human nor gEDA. If someone can't figure out the dependencies, (s)he can't use gEDA, and I think no other EDA toolset. Nonsense.

Re: gEDA-dev: Windows installer programs

2006-07-31 Thread Dan McMahill
Peter TB Brett wrote: Hi folks, If someone can provide me with step-by-step instructions for building geda on Windows, I'm volunteering to produce a NSIS-based Windows installation program. This goes for any packages currently distributed on the gEDA CD. What I need to produce the

Re: gEDA-dev: Re: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread Dan McMahill
Mike Jarabek wrote: Hi, To interject my $0.02 CDN. Stephen Williams wrote: Levente wrote: I think the dependency hell is provided by your OS, not by the human nor gEDA. If someone can't figure out the dependencies, (s)he can't use gEDA, and I think no other EDA toolset.

Re: gEDA-dev: Re: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread Evan Lavelle
I hesitate to get even further involved, but: One cannot compare a controlled corporate OS environment with Linux/FreeBSD or anything similar because of a couple of - maybe not so obvious reasons ( or maybe very obvious ). At my last 'controlled corporate' gig we ran Linux/RH7.2 (this was

Re: gEDA-dev: Re: Gschem and Cairo graphics library

2006-07-31 Thread Dan Andersson
Hehe, a bit further then... On Monday 31 July 2006 23:38, Evan Lavelle wrote: I hesitate to get even further involved, but: One cannot compare a controlled corporate OS environment with Linux/FreeBSD or anything similar because of a couple of - maybe not so obvious reasons ( or maybe very

gEDA-dev: chroot'd geda suite (was Gschem and Cairo)

2006-07-31 Thread John Griessen
Hi Tibor, After doing a rsync backup of my linux installation, I tried it and get gschem to run and draw lines, pcb to run and draw lines when launched from the project manager menu. The files wrote to /root/home/geda/ under the geda-test directory. My distro is debian linux unstable. All

gEDA-dev: Random comments consolidated

2006-07-31 Thread Ales Hvezda
Ack! I slip away from the 'net/project for a few days and I come back to several flame fests. Gah, can't we all just get along... :) Some comments in random order. * I'm obviously way way way swamped by my inbox and you people are not helping with all these discussions... :-) I have read