On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:11:52PM -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote:
Ben Jackson wrote:
They're both pretty bad. There must be something about CAD programs that
leads to wacky user interfaces.
Interesting comment, in that on another list I was just in a discussion
about 2D drawing tools. I am
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John Luciani wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Christoph Lechner cl0...@l-mx.de wrote:
Almost everybody is using Eagle or the evil Target 3001 because it's
so easy.
People often confuse ease of doing a single task with a productive
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:17 +0100, Christoph Lechner wrote:
What is Target 3001 ?
Target 3001 is a EDA package that is quite popular in Germany (in the
German edition of Wikipedia they say that a poll done by Elektor 05/2004
amongst the readers had the result that Target 3001 was number 2 in
Some people consider a microcontroller + LCD display + some stuff a
project.
Hey! I just did one of those.
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On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:17 +0100, Christoph Lechner wrote:
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John Luciani wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Christoph Lechner cl0...@l-mx.de wrote:
Almost everybody is using Eagle or the evil Target 3001 because it's
so easy.
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 05:50:15PM -0800, Ben Jackson wrote:
Maybe we need a gschem HID for pcb? ;-)
They're both pretty bad. There must be something about CAD programs
that
leads to wacky user interfaces.
Actually gschem is the best and most intuitive one I've ever used. I
really love it,
H. I made a little mistake here.
The Free EDA Users Group (FreeEDAUG = Free Dog) will meet
Thursday, Febuary 5th.
^ OK.
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Date: Thursday, Feburary 6th, 2009. (*** Note day ***)
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Time: 7:00pm, Eastern US
Am Dienstag, den 27.01.2009, 06:14 +0100 schrieb Oliver Lehmann:
olivl...@kartoffel olivleh1 tragesym template_Z8001-1.csv z8001-1.sym
this attribute is not allowed: use-license GPL
olivl...@kartoffel olivleh1
but OK - I will add them manually
My guess is that your tragesym is very
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Keybindings? (those are the ones which trip me up moving between them)
JG: Yes, they should match.
Colours?
Grid style / behaviour as it zooms?
John Griessen wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Menus? JG:two letter sequences for both with
matching menu pulldown memory aid hints
I changed my
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 09:58 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
John Griessen wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make
them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Menus? JG:two letter sequences for both
Peter Clifton wrote:
Even then.. it could work if you were prepared to wait a dwell period to
make sure you meant d on its own, rather than dd or some other
action. I'm not looking to add that though.
Nahh... dwell time is not performance oriented. Opposite the benefits you get
from
PCB's
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
It wasn't so long ago that gschem added more standard keybindings as
default for the Copy+Paste actions. I'm sure no-one would argue that was
a bad thing, or that users ought to fix those themselves.
There is no doubt no
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:55 +, r wrote:
*Personally*, I'm not a big fan of two-key shortcuts. They tend to
slow down navigation and editing quite a bit. OTOH, I don't care much
about less frequent actions - I wouldn't even mind if these were only
accessible from the menu.
Ctrl + C / Ctrl
Yes they are two keys but they are struck simultaneously.
If you use two fingers simultaneously to close two holes on a flute is
that one note?
If use two fingers to alternate between two holes you get two notes.
This is all about efficiency.
I can hit control C and control v with one hand in
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:12 -0800, Steve Meier wrote:
Yes they are two keys but they are struck simultaneously.
If you use two fingers simultaneously to close two holes on a flute is
that one note?
If use two fingers to alternate between two holes you get two notes.
This is all about
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:06:04 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
OTOH, I don't care much about
less frequent actions - I wouldn't even mind if these were only
accessible from the menu.
However, accels for any menu action should be easily user configurable.
Sometimes, obscure actions can become common
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 19:40 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:06:04 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
OTOH, I don't care much about
less frequent actions - I wouldn't even mind if these were only
accessible from the menu.
However, accels for any menu action should be
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 19:40 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
In addition, these are the standard accels I'd expect in every app
where applicable:
[CTRL-Z] -- undo
[CTRL-SHIFT] -- redo
Never saw that one before. I've seen Ctrl+Shift+Z, Ctrl+Y, (Ctrl?/Alt?)+R
Ctrl+Shift is two modifiers.. I'm
Hi Matt,
On Dienstag, 27. Januar 2009, Matt Ettus wrote:
If you put pins on either the top or bottom of a symbol, tragesym
moves the name around and changes the positioning. However, this is
only necessary if pins are on top, and the logic should ignore pins
on the bottom. The following
Peter Clifton wrote:
b) Make the shortcut based on modifier + case-insensitive letter?
This gives us invariant key-presses for a given shortcut with capslock
on/off.
b) because caps lock isn't dependent on the idea of a shortcut. Shortcuts
need to be reflex-action always the same.
JG
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 19:06 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:55 +, r wrote:
*Personally*, I'm not a big fan of two-key shortcuts. They tend to
slow down navigation and editing quite a bit. OTOH, I don't care much
about less frequent actions - I wouldn't even mind
Peter Clifton wrote:
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 19:40 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
[CTRL-R] -- replace
Or Redo?
This is likely to vary among users a lot... One of those hard to agree on
ones, so just make it easy to change...
and pick a default by voting instead of consensus.
JG
Stefan Salewski wrote:
My one, shipped with gEDA 1.4.3 is tragesym version 0.0.12
and dist-license and use-license is supported.
FreeBSD ports come with geda 20070216 which is probably a
svn/cvs/whatever ;) checkout. And yeah - sounds old
I've added the license tags, rearanged the tags and
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 21:17 +0100, Oliver Lehmann wrote:
Stefan Salewski wrote:
My one, shipped with gEDA 1.4.3 is tragesym version 0.0.12
and dist-license and use-license is supported.
FreeBSD ports come with geda 20070216 which is probably a
svn/cvs/whatever ;) checkout. And yeah -
I happen to prever Ctrl-Y for Redo, but other than that, your list works for me.
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Hi guys,
Could anyone interested in seeing / using a GL version of PCB, please
respond to this message privately - directly to me (or on-list if you
don't have my email address).
PCB + GL provides some possibilities over what we have now with GDK /
X11 drawing. Transparency of layers is one
On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 09:58 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
John Griessen wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make
them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Menus?
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:46:14 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
[CTRL-Z] -- undo
[CTRL-SHIFT] -- redo
Never saw that one before. I've seen Ctrl+Shift+Z,
Just a typo. I meant to write [CTRL-SHIFT-Z]...
[CTRL-F] -- search
My mail client winds me up something _TERRIBLE_ because that maps to
Peter Clifton wrote:
I'd presume you've hit various bugs with the version you're using by
now...
Yeah - sometimes gschem dumps core when I try to route a connection from
one symbol to another... this is quite uncool - but teaches you to save
often ;)
I've contacted the FreeBSD geda port
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 08:51:00PM +, Peter Clifton wrote:
glxinfo glxinfo.txt
Attached.
I's also be curious to know what kind of numbers you get running
glxgears.. (ok - technically glxgears isn't a good benchmark, but
never mind).
~1200fps. Yes, it's really just the on-board stuff
sorry for the lame numbers, I'm running our bottom of the line cards ;-)
three machines
PPC 4 core 2.5GHz G5 OS X Leopard ( 10.5.6 )
GeForce 6600 with 256MB RAM
17145 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3429.000 FPS
17626 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3525.200 FPS
18489 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3697.800 FPS
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:25:08PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote:
glxinfo glxinfo.txt
Attached.
Sorry for the on-list reply, got hit by the Reply-To munging again.
CU Sascha
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On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 14:15 -0800, Steven Michalske wrote:
sorry for the lame numbers, I'm running our bottom of the line cards ;-)
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17145 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3429.000 FPS
14384 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2876.800 FPS
1400 frames a second on first generation mac book air with the
Hello --
I've seen an uptick in interesting industry news and industry blog
postings related to zero-cost as well as open-source EDA software
recently [1]. Here are two examples:
http://www.eeproductcenter.com/embedded/brief/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212902950
Am Montag, den 26.01.2009, 21:27 -0500 schrieb Bob Paddock:
a collections of files is much harder to maintain than a single
file, when you want to easily share the design, or maintain
it for many years.
Similar discussion in scientific/university work:
Some people want to have all stuff
In addition, these are the standard accels I'd expect in every app
where applicable:
[CTRL-Z] -- undo
[CTRL-SHIFT] -- redo
[CTRL-F] -- search
[CTRL-R] -- replace
[CTRL-S] -- save
[CTRL-SHIFT-S] -- save-as
Shure some people would want standard keyboard accelerators, but IMO
this
isn't
Peter Clifton wrote:
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:12 -0800, Steve Meier wrote:
Yes they are two keys but they are struck simultaneously.
If you use two fingers simultaneously to close two holes on a flute is
that one note?
If use two fingers to alternate between two holes you get two notes.
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:40 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
The 10 most common actions/operations were accessed by single L-key
keypresses. You could zoom in/out, pan, etc all just with the mouse
without moving the pointer away from your active layout area. Not
beginner
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 20:51:00 Peter Clifton wrote:
Hi guys,
Could anyone interested in seeing / using a GL version of PCB, please
respond to this message privately - directly to me (or on-list if you
don't have my email address).
I'm very interested.
PCB + GL provides some
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 00:56 +, Alexander Gvozdev wrote:
I'm maintain pcb for pan-russia/ukrainian/belorussian distro (AltLinux).
Many people want jump-up from ugly GTK.
Still just as ugly for now ;)
I may test pcb on various PC.
I develop PCBs with 6-8 layers and think, what OpenGL
Stuart Brorson wrote:
I was wondering if other folks might be interested in
getting occasional private e-mails from me alerting them to any such
articles. Then, folks who felt moved could respond to the posts.
Sure Stuart.
John
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Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
Right, next hardware project for DJ then... design a build-it-yourself
kit to build USB HCI HID device with a row of buttons for driving PCB ;)
Isn't it easier and cheaper to just buy a Sun keyboard with those L-keys
on eBay? I'm using one to type this
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 03:51:00 pm Peter Clifton wrote:
Hi guys,
Could anyone interested in seeing / using a GL version of PCB, please
respond to this message privately - directly to me (or on-list if you
don't have my email address).
Sorry, I don't have your email. :) But you'll find
No Peter NO
DJ might just design a keyboard with keys as small as 1005s just to see
who could use it.
Steve M.
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 00:08 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:40 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
The 10 most common actions/operations were
can a 101 key keyboard fit on the paper strip of a paper match?
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:25 -0800, Steve Meier wrote:
No Peter NO
DJ might just design a keyboard with keys as small as 1005s just to see
who could use it.
Steve M.
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 00:08 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Jan 27, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Alexander Gvozdev wrote:
Many people want jump-up from ugly GTK.
You have Motif too, and it's possible to write new HIDs for PCB.
What about migrating to QT3/4
It should be possible to write a QT HID for PCB.
and C++?
NOO! We have enough
Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
Right, next hardware project for DJ then... design a build-it-yourself
kit to build USB HCI HID device with a row of buttons for driving PCB ;)
That's exactly my next project. My purpose is to play games. I just
ordered the parts today. Cherry MX
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