Re: gEDA-user: Translations for gEDA 1.6.1....

2010-02-09 Thread Bert Timmerman
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 12:03 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 12:56 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: Hi Peter, How to translate accelerator stuff ? en: _Save nl: Opslaan or nl: _Opslaan and break the future accelerator key binding ? I'd go with whatever

Re: gEDA-user: Translations for gEDA 1.6.1....

2010-02-09 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Peter, On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 11:32 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 09:35 +0100, Florian Teply wrote: On Sunday 07 February 2010 00:42:29 Peter Clifton wrote: Hi guys, In preparation for the gEDA 1.6.1, I've been trying to sort out our translations. I've

Re: gEDA-user: Translations for gEDA 1.6.1....

2010-02-09 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Peter, Florian, On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 09:35 +0100, Florian Teply wrote: On Sunday 07 February 2010 00:42:29 Peter Clifton wrote: Hi guys, In preparation for the gEDA 1.6.1, I've been trying to sort out our translations. I've imported all translations from Launchpad, and have been

Re: gEDA-user: Translations for gEDA 1.6.1....

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 12:05 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: How to translate accelerator stuff ? en: _Save nl: Opslaan or nl: _Opslaan and break the key binding ? Whatever is common in other translated programs.. For the former, did you mean Op_slaan? That would work, and keep the s

Re: gEDA-user: pcb action to set refdes?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 00:12 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: They are new components. We are panelizing a board with several variants of a tricky footprint to see which one will work best in the SMT process. Perhaps you could hack the new Import code to specify the placement of parts being

gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Cole
Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? Chris ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 09:39 -0500, Chris Cole wrote: Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? xgsch2pcb was implemented as a proof of concept project manager, and doesn't really belong inside gschem. gschem supports a great diversity of work-flows, only one of

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Cole
Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 09:39 -0500, Chris Cole wrote: Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? xgsch2pcb was implemented as a proof of concept project manager, and doesn't really belong inside gschem. gschem supports a great

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-09 Thread Dan McMahill
gene glick wrote: Do you all use Latex for editing docs, or maybe open office or other? I'm getting fed up with the open office bugs and starting to think that Latex is a better alternative. Busy compiling Lyx as we speak. Just curious if it works out well- I switched to LaTeX 15 years

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Jason
Chris Cole wrote: Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? As an aside, the first thing that lept to mind, was the Unix philosophy of one tool, one job. So, I started digging to find where it came from. It's one of those quoted all over the place, but no

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 10:10 -0500, Chris Cole wrote: I think I see what you're saying...however as an example...if I'm working in OpenOffice.org, I have the ability to save as ODF, PDF or even (*gasp*) a proprietary format, although I may never use more than one workflow. And I wasn't

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 10:57 -0500, Jason wrote: Chris Cole wrote: Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? As an aside, the first thing that lept to mind, was the Unix philosophy of one tool, one job. So, I started digging to find where it came from.

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread John Doty
On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: I'm not totally opposed to teaching gschem how to call gnetlist and export various netlist formats, It would be nice to teach gschem to call make: that's the way to put the pieces together. This should be a simple scripting problem, except

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Jason
Chris Cole wrote: Jason wrote: Chris Cole wrote: Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? As an aside, the first thing that lept to mind, was the Unix philosophy of one tool, one job. So, I started digging to find where it came from. It's one of those

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
Make is the tool. Not for a GUI, it isn't. Seriously. Right concept, bad integration. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Jason
Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 10:57 -0500, Jason wrote: Chris Cole wrote: Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? As an aside, the first thing that lept to mind, was the Unix philosophy of one tool, one job. So, I started digging to find where it

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Cole
Jason wrote: Chris Cole wrote: Jason wrote: Chris Cole wrote: Just curious, why not include xgsch2pcb functionality inside of gschem? As an aside, the first thing that lept to mind, was the Unix philosophy of one tool, one job. So, I started digging to find where it came from. It's one

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 18:40 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Make is the tool. Not for a GUI, it isn't. Seriously. Right concept, bad integration. There are not enough decent hooks in make to integrate it with a GUI*. It is fine if things _work_, otherwise you would have to litter your makefile

Re: gEDA-user: pcb action to set refdes?

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Rages
Ok, so the way I eventually solved this was to set the first refdes in the element file, then paste in the subsequent parts in refdes order. The autoincrement handled it from there. The sequence is like this: LoadFrom(ElementToBuffer,packages/SYMBOLNAME) PasteBuffer(ToLayout,2000,2000,mils)

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Jason
Chris Cole wrote: Jason wrote: To me, The 'A' answer is to treat the gui like a scripted workflow. All the CLI pieces underneath adhere to the Unix flexibility philosophy, and a scripted UI/GUI joins it all together into your particular workflow by calling each CLI program with the

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread John Doty
On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: Make is the tool. Not for a GUI, it isn't. Seriously. Right concept, bad integration. Any attempt to solve the suite of problems here without make will wind up as a crummy imitation of make. Some problems simply are not well suited to

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 19:05 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 18:40 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Make is the tool. Not for a GUI, it isn't. Seriously. Right concept, bad integration. There are not enough decent hooks in make to integrate it with a GUI*. It is fine if

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread al davis
On Tuesday 09 February 2010, Peter Clifton wrote: Not for a GUI, it isn't. Seriously. Right concept, bad integration. A GUI is just a visual aid. If you have junk under the hood, and hide it with a GUI, you just have more junk. ___ geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-09 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Dan McMahill d...@mcmahill.net writes: Before switching I was a die hard word user. Word? Wordstar! My first thesis war written with wordstar, on CP/M2.2. Then I switched to LaTeX. And how proud I was, when EMTeX run faster on my new 486DX33 notebook, than the TeX on the VAX at the

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread Bas Gieltjes
Chris, And I wasn't saying that xgsch2pcb should be a drop-in window as-is to gschem, but I think it would be rather nice if you could generate netlists and output to pcb straight from gschem. Just a thought. I might even be willing to help if anyone else is interested in the idea. Maybe

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread John Doty
On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:10 PM, al davis wrote: A GUI is just a visual aid. If you have junk under the hood, and hide it with a GUI, you just have more junk. I agree completely. Unless the problem is inherently graphical, a GUI isn't needed, and the design should be implemented without it.

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-09 Thread DJ Delorie
Unless the problem is inherently graphical, a GUI isn't needed, and the design should be implemented without it. The problem is organization and presentation. Is that inherently graphical? If a new user can't manage their flow because all those little tools are difficult to visualize, we've