Re: gEDA-user: what does Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 mean?

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Rages
I filed a bug and uploaded a file which exhibits this: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2948916group_id=73743atid=538811 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Mark Rages markra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to work with a rather compex polygon ground plane.  I get the following spew

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-10 Thread gene glick
I switched to LaTeX 15 years ago and have never looked back. mmm LaTeX. it just wasn't working well for a bunch of reasons (bugs, poor scaling to large documents, poor multi-author support, poor interaction with cvs or other source control system, sounds like you live in my cube

Re: gEDA-user: what does Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 mean?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 01:29 -0600, Mark Rages wrote: I'm trying to work with a rather compex polygon ground plane. I get the following spew on the terminal, then crash: Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 Error while clipping

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-10 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:17:13 -0500, gene glick carzr...@optonline.net wrote: The LyX route is working for now - but am already finding reasons to add LaTeX commands into the source file. Headers with images are a drag - still fighting that one. Time to get a good book :D If you go into the

Re: gEDA-user: what does Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 mean?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 02:11 -0600, Mark Rages wrote: I filed a bug and uploaded a file which exhibits this: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2948916group_id=73743atid=538811 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Mark Rages markra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to work with a

Re: gEDA-user: what does Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 mean?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 11:43 +, Peter Clifton wrote: The fact I don't see complaining - either means that I'm not taking the required steps to reproduce (ie.. what is subtracting from the polygon if your lines are on a different layer?) Ok - read your bug report properly this time - and

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-10 Thread Dan McMahill
Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 06:17 -0500, gene glick wrote: The LyX route is working for now - but am already finding reasons to add LaTeX commands into the source file. Headers with images are a drag - still fighting that one. Time to get a good book :D If you mean

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-10 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi, that I don't like though, is image support.  Unless I am missing something, images are not actually part of the source doc, but are sucked in and then processed onto the output.  Distributing the pdf, for example, doesn't matter since the pictures are included.  But for multi-authors, any

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Search for good SMD and IC prober

2010-02-10 Thread Torsten Wagner
Thanks to everyone for the suggestion and ideas. I really liked the idea with the #30 cable. I never used it because I thought it should be more temporary solution. However, I really got tired of the fact then whenever I move the set-up a few centimetres (this are about an inch ;) ) I hear all

gEDA-user: Please update your translations for gEDA/gaf in prep for a release

2010-02-10 Thread Ales Hvezda
Hi, There is a desire to get a release (1.6.1) out this weekend or there abouts. Translators, please verify/update your translations as soon as possible. I don't really have a preference as to which branch these updates occur on, unless PeterC has a preference. Thanks, -Ales

gEDA-user: Where do I put footprints?

2010-02-10 Thread Jim
I know this seems like a trivial question but I've googled for hours trying to find 1. What goes into gafrc other than component-library? 2. Where do I put my locally generated footprints? I tried putting them in the component-library, the same file with the schematic et al. Out of

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread John Griessen
Peter Clifton wrote: It was hoping it would be possible to prod make to get enough information back to the project manager as to which targets need updating etc., which you could then call make to update. I also wanted to be able to extract the digraph make constructs - so the GUI can display

Re: gEDA-user: Where do I put footprints?

2010-02-10 Thread John Griessen
Jim wrote: I know this seems like a trivial question but I've googled for hours trying to find 1. What goes into gafrc other than component-library? Lines like: (source-library ../tmote-revb_) for your local symbols, if any. (There are always some! Mine are about 95% local versions)

Re: gEDA-user: what does Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 mean?

2010-02-10 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:30:59AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: Secondly, (also very important), if the problem is reproducible, take a copy of the board with the issue, and start removing parts until the problem goes away. Distilling a minimum test-case for the polygon code is hard though -

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 11:38 -0600, John Griessen wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: It was hoping it would be possible to prod make to get enough information back to the project manager as to which targets need updating etc., which you could then call make to update. I also wanted to be able

Re: gEDA-user: what does Error while clipping PBO_SUB: 3 mean?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 09:59 -0800, Ben Jackson wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:30:59AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: Secondly, (also very important), if the problem is reproducible, take a copy of the board with the issue, and start removing parts until the problem goes away. Distilling

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread DJ Delorie
Probably the simplest approach (which I'm leaning towards) is to treat the netlist file as the target, keep that up-to-date, then let With the new PCB import code, there's no more netlist file :-O The flow is *.sch - *.pcb directly now, although pcb could watch for *.sch changes just as

Re: gEDA-user: Translations for gEDA 1.6.1....

2010-02-10 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
Hi Peter, I was preparing the spanish translation, and found that (with gschem in spanish) I can't access to the menu with Alt+letter. For example, Alt+F and get to the gschem File menu. I checked this in the .po file, and there is a File instead of _File string. Does it work for you? Am I

Re: gEDA-user: Translations for gEDA 1.6.1....

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 18:40 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 20:31 +0100, Carlos Nieves Ónega wrote: Hi Peter, I was preparing the spanish translation, and found that (with gschem in spanish) I can't access to the menu with Alt+letter. For example, Alt+F and get to the

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-10 Thread Steven Michalske
For multi author work I recommend setting up a source control repository. This is a simple example of one under git. http://gitorious.org/latex-for-beginners This is a more complicated example where the guy is keeping the preambles in their own repository, as a sub module in a master

Re: gEDA-user: Where do I put footprints?

2010-02-10 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: I use the new pcb-import code, so I have pcb's footprint path set up to include an absolute path for the global tree, and . I.e. ~/.pcb/settings has this line: lib-newlib = /envy/dj/geda/gedasymbols/www/user/dj_delorie/footprints:. So, that : is the syntax for adding

Re: gEDA-user: Where do I put footprints?

2010-02-10 Thread Jim
John Griessen wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: I use the new pcb-import code, so I have pcb's footprint path set up to include an absolute path for the global tree, and . I.e. ~/.pcb/settings has this line: lib-newlib = /envy/dj/geda/gedasymbols/www/user/dj_delorie/footprints:. So, that : is the

gEDA-user: GUI + make project manager (was:why separate xgsch2pcb?)

2010-02-10 Thread John Griessen
Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 11:38 -0600, John Griessen wrote: Every time you touch something in gschem, several data files are out of date instantly. You could know that things are always out of date until the project is done and not worry about it -- except for pressing the

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Stanley
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 00:24:34 John Doty wrote: On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:10 PM, al davis wrote: A GUI is just a visual aid. If you have junk under the hood, and hide it with a GUI, you just have more junk. I agree completely. Unless the problem is inherently graphical, a GUI isn't

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:52 +0100, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: On 10 February 2010 19:17, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: With the new PCB import code, there's no more netlist file :-O The flow is *.sch - *.pcb directly now, although pcb could watch for *.sch changes just as easily

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread John Griessen
Mark Stanley wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 00:24:34 John Doty wrote: On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:10 PM, al davis wrote: A GUI is just a visual aid. If you have junk under the hood, and hide it with a GUI, you just have more junk. . . . I just can't imagine how on earth you could layout a

Re: gEDA-user: GUI + make project manager (was:why separate xgsch2pcb?)

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 16:00 -0600, John Griessen wrote: [snip] It's kind of like using a version control system, which is what I do now. If you also used a version control system at the same time it would use up lots of disk space redundantly. Instead of that, just running the version

gEDA-user: how to make DRC ignore outline layer?

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Rages
Hi, I'm making a layout with castellated vias on the edge. so these vias intersect the outline layer and pcb thinks they are all shorted together when I press o. Any way around this? I thought the magic was the name outline. Regards, Mark markra...@gmail -- Mark Rages, Engineer Midwest

Re: gEDA-user: how to make DRC ignore outline layer?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 16:22 -0600, Mark Rages wrote: Hi, I'm making a layout with castellated vias on the edge. so these vias intersect the outline layer and pcb thinks they are all shorted together when I press o. Any way around this? I thought the magic was the name outline. Probably

Re: gEDA-user: how to make DRC ignore outline layer?

2010-02-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 23:16 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 16:22 -0600, Mark Rages wrote: Hi, I'm making a layout with castellated vias on the edge. so these vias intersect the outline layer and pcb thinks they are all shorted together when I press o. Any way around

Re: gEDA-user: Where do I put footprints?

2010-02-10 Thread DJ Delorie
lib-newlib = /envy/dj/geda/gedasymbols/www/user/dj_delorie/footprints:. : separates items in the list. with . added, any subdirs will be searched for footprints? With . added, any ./* subdirectory is searched for footprints. ___ geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread DJ Delorie
I was just looking though the menues of my 20091103 version of pcb-gtk and could not find an import item, so I guess this is leading edge. I Yes, you'll need to check out the git version of pcb. don't have schematics in gschem .sch so I wonder if other formats like plain text component and

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread DJ Delorie
There's still a netlist file, it's just your new pcb isn't using it, right? The old way was that gsch2pcb would directly edit the *.pcb file, and produce a separate netlist and pin naming script, both of which had to be manually imported into pcb after reloading the new pcb file. The new way,

Re: gEDA-user: how to make DRC ignore outline layer?

2010-02-10 Thread DJ Delorie
Bonus points for a patch which wraps the magic test in a new macro / function, something like: if (!LAYER_IS_COPPER (Layer)) continue; To skip the connectivity tests for other non-copper layers. This is the layer mega-patch I've been (sadly) talking about for years now. The parser

Re: gEDA-user: how to make DRC ignore outline layer?

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Rages
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:55 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Bonus points for a patch which wraps the magic test in a new macro / function, something like:  if (!LAYER_IS_COPPER (Layer))     continue; To skip the connectivity tests for other non-copper layers. This is the layer

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:52:31 -0500 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: There's still a netlist file, it's just your new pcb isn't using it, right? The old way was that gsch2pcb would directly edit the *.pcb file, and produce a separate netlist and pin naming script, both of which had to

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread DJ Delorie
I've wanted a feature like this for a while, so out of curiosity, I pulled from GIT using the command given on http://pcb.gpleda.org/obtaining.html . I don't see an import option anywhere in PCB, but I'm not sure if what I pulled is HEAD or a sub-branch. If you have your own local

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:51:52 -0500 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I've wanted a feature like this for a while, so out of curiosity, I pulled from GIT using the command given on http://pcb.gpleda.org/obtaining.html . I don't see an import option anywhere in PCB, but I'm not sure if

Re: gEDA-user: why separate xgsch2pcb?

2010-02-10 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:51:52 -0500 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I've wanted a feature like this for a while, so out of curiosity, I pulled from GIT using the command given on http://pcb.gpleda.org/obtaining.html . I don't see an import option anywhere in PCB, but I'm not sure if