Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about - and others are not.. we'll have to see what people actually using it

Re: gEDA-user: gschem text line spacing in postscript

2010-02-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:36:48 +, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: BUT.. this should also be using the gEDA font size - points conversion. The 13 vs 13.89 discrepency is already incorporated in the 1.3 factor shipped by default. If I remember correctly, printed line spacing was

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread David SMITH
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:01:55PM -0500, gene glick wrote: what else? Any suggestions? Check your hole dimensions, especially on connectors - a correctly-routed board is not much use if your connector pins won't fit through the holes... -- David SmithWork Email: dave.sm...@st.com

Re: gEDA-user: desktop-i18n in gEDA

2010-02-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:16:49 -0500, Charles Lepple clep...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Fedora build is silently accepting the other directory under BUILDROOT: Making install in po make[3]: Entering directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/geda-gaf-1.6.0/ libgeda/po' /usr/bin/make

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:30:20 +, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about -

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:48 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:30:20 +, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I can't help but feel that some log

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi all, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Peter Clifton Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:30 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows On Tue, 2010-02-23

Re: gEDA-user: gerbv export to png

2010-02-24 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Stephan Boettcher boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de writes: Julian thepurl...@gmail.com writes: Stephan, Yes, you can do it, however you can't use the project file for the process. Here's how: gerbv --export=png --dpi=600 --foreground=#ffff --foreground=#00ff0088 file1.gbx file2.gbx

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:48:14 + Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: Why not have a bar (in a warning colour) that pops up at the top of the layout window, and disappears after a short interval (say, 2 seconds). Clicking the bar would bring up the message window. I like this idea, but

gEDA-user: General Question on gschem

2010-02-24 Thread Tony Radice
Ladies and Gentlemen - Is there an update to gschem scheduled, and if so, when? Is there a release notes that we can view to know what is coming? Thanks! Tony Radice ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: General Question on gschem

2010-02-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:22:05 -0500, Tony Radice tradi...@verizon.net wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen - Is there an update to gschem scheduled, and if so, when? Is there a release notes that we can view to know what is coming? We just released 1.6.1 in the current stable release series, but

Re: gEDA-user: General Question on gschem

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 08:22 -0500, Tony Radice wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen - Is there an update to gschem scheduled, and if so, when? Is there a release notes that we can view to know what is coming? The weekend before last.. http://geda.seul.org/release/v1.6/1.6.1/ Release notes not yet

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:53:13 +, Peter Clifton wrote: I can't help but feel that some log messages are important enough to bother the user about I suggest, that gschem (and pcb for that matter) stick to the way most unix applications handle this issue: Truely important messages should be

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:18:02 -0500, gene glick wrote: I'll have to order up a bunch of parts to make it happen but that's ok. This is an important part of the check. It is too easy to misread some aspect of the physical dimensions in the data sheet. Think SO16 vs SO16- wide. This has hit me

gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important features, much of the basic infrastructure is already up and running. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD_(Juergen_Riegel)

Re: gEDA-user: analog/code co-simulation and schematics and netlists for silicon

2010-02-24 Thread John Griessen
al davis wrote: On Tuesday 23 February 2010, John Griessen wrote: Would you still use gschem/gnetlist to schematically connect verilog modules? That depends on having a good translator first, right? Anything that generates a netlist. Gnucap uses language plugins to read whatever input

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:01 PM, gene glick carzr...@optonline.net wrote: After a very long time, I am just about ready to send out 3 different boards for fab.  I would appreciate any advice to improve my chances of success. I'm making the assumption you will have a contractor build quantities

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Frank Bergmann
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:32:20 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: Maybe add a Warn function along side Message (or something along those lines), and add a flag to HID.log that says whether or not to bring the log window to the foreground? Or go all out and add an enum for severity. It'd be easy to add

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Larry Doolittle
Hi - On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 02:40:50PM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: I'm making the assumption you will have a contractor build quantities someday, in automated equipment. These will (at least should) lower production costs: Although OT, I appreciate and try to learn from discussions like this.

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Paddock
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Larry Doolittle ldool...@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: Hi - On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 02:40:50PM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: I'm making the assumption you will have a contractor build quantities someday, in automated equipment.  These will (at least should) lower

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 04:07:13PM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: I've learned most of this by working at a large CM, and 'The Hard Way' of doing it wrong. For example the job today is 5,000 boards. When you get into quantities, you start to do things differently. See the note at the bottom

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Larry Doolittle ldool...@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: Hi - On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 02:40:50PM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: I'm making the assumption you will have a contractor build quantities someday, in automated

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread John Griessen
Bob Paddock wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Larry Doolittle ldool...@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: Have you put Fudicuals on components, such as tiny QFN packages, or even massive TQFP and BGAs. I don't think you said what you wanted to say. Not sure. I know our CM loves that I put

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Jared Casper
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Frank Bergmann frank.g...@frajasalo.de wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:32:20 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: The functionality I saw someplace (was it in your repo?) to attach/embed the log window to the main window will help out with this problem as well I think.

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread DJ Delorie
I would have just ensured that my AVR image didn't contain any sequences that trigger the problem. It might be possible to just modify AVRdude to detect such sequences and modify the programming sequence to avoid them. Sort of like bit stuffing with NRZI. I'm sorry, you cannot program an

Re: gEDA-user: Message and Library windows

2010-02-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:42:32 +, Peter Clifton wrote: gschem's log window can be persuaded not to appear with this rhune in a gschemrc. (I have it in ~/.gEDA/gschemrc) (log-window later) I added this to the gschem-FAQ ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel:

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Paddock
I would have just ensured that my AVR image didn't contain any sequences that trigger the problem. How? Its a crap shoot as to know if any particular image will generate the bad sequence. Then you waste time trying to figure out how to get around it. To DJ's comment. We usually do go with

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 04:41:35PM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: I would have just ensured that my AVR image didn't contain any sequences that trigger the problem. How? Its a crap shoot as to know if any particular image will generate the bad sequence. Then you waste time trying to figure

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Ouabache Designworks
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:01 PM, gene glick [1]carzr...@optonline.net wrote: After a very long time, I am just about ready to send out 3 different boards for fab. ?I would appreciate any advice to improve my chances of success. Don't send all three at once.

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-24 Thread Andy Fierman
Could be interesting. Thanks for that! Cheers, Andy. Signality Solutions York, UK t: +44 (0) 5601 720 580 m: +44 (0) 7796 538 192 skype: andyfierman www.signality.co.uk On 24 February 2010 15:12, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: I just got aware of the open source

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Frank Bergmann
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:22:54 -0600, John Griessen wrote: So these footprint fiducials are outboard of the part so they show in a vision system as the part is being placed? Do you put silk outline outside them or some silk circles around each one to clue the CM about what they are good for,

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Dan McMahill
gene glick wrote: After a very long time, I am just about ready to send out 3 different boards for fab. I would appreciate any advice to improve my chances of success. So far here's what has been done: 1. Run DRC on all PCBs with no issues.. 2. Checked schematics. 3. Checked schematic

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Geoff Swan
don't even consider ordering boards without loading up the photoplot files into something like gerbv and doing some sanity checks. This advice applies to a design done with any layout tool and not just pcb. A minimal list would be: - From 20,000 feet, does each layer look right or are there

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: To DJ's comment. We usually do go with pre-programmed parts eventually. Solder jumpers are a really bad idea when doing anything more than few boards. Even zero ohm resisters jumpers cost real money. I believe it was my comment that

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Paddock
So these footprint fiducials are outboard of the part so they show in a vision system as the part is being placed?  Do you put silk outline outside them or some silk circles around each one to clue the CM about what they are good for, or does that just need some notes and documentation and

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Paddock
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: To DJ's comment.  We usually do go with pre-programmed parts eventually.  Solder jumpers are a really bad  idea when doing anything more than few boards.  Even zero

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: To DJ's comment. We usually do go with pre-programmed parts eventually. Solder jumpers are a really bad idea

Re: gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-24 Thread al davis
On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Dave N6NZ wrote: Really? Is there a use for gEDA-Eagle? Lots of reasons. Whether you like it or not, it is popular. Some people will insist on it. If gEDA is ever to replace Eagle, there needs to be a migration path both ways. If Free/open-source is ever to

gEDA-user: Changing the author name on the fabrication drawings

2010-02-24 Thread Andrew Miner
Hello, If you are in PCB and you bring up the command window you can use ChangeName(Layout) and it will allow you to change the name of the layout visible in the fab drawing gerber file. Which command changes the author name?  I tried working with fab-author (and author and originator along

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-24 Thread Girvin R. Herr
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important features, much of the basic infrastructure is already up and running.

Re: gEDA-user: desktop-i18n in gEDA

2010-02-24 Thread Charles Lepple
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:16:49 -0500, Charles Lepple clep...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Fedora build is silently accepting the other directory under BUILDROOT: Making install in po make[3]: Entering directory

Re: gEDA-user: Changing the author name on the fabrication drawings

2010-02-24 Thread DJ Delorie
fab-author is a user setting, not a board setting. You can do pcb --fab-author me ... or put it in ~/.pcb/settings: fab-author: Me ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user