On Sat, 30 Oct 2010, Oliver King-Smith wrote:
Maciej,
There is a small development script that allows you to drop into a
guile shell on the gEDA website. The shell auto completes so you can
see a list of all available commands. You can also try things live.
I found this very
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 00:44 +0200, kai-martin knaak wrote:
Evan Foss wrote:
I may have missed it but has anyone suggested the brlcad format. It
might be better than freecad in that it has export/import from a lot
of other formats already written.
It might be worse in that its user
On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Maciej Pijanka wrote:
I already tried this before posting, it don't work even for gnetlist producing
following output:
Backtrace:
In current input:
1: 0* (ptest output.net)
unnamed port:1:1: In expression (ptest output.net):
unnamed port:1:1: Unbound
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010, John Doty wrote:
On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Maciej Pijanka wrote:
I already tried this before posting, it don't work even for gnetlist
producing
following output:
Backtrace:
In current input:
1: 0* (ptest output.net)
unnamed port:1:1: In
On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Maciej Pijanka wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010, John Doty wrote:
On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Maciej Pijanka wrote:
I already tried this before posting, it don't work even for gnetlist
producing
following output:
Backtrace:
In current input:
1: 0*
Why, i wanted to create some scheme script to be invoked from
gschem to show/hide pinnumbers on currently opened schematics, why
i would use gnetlist for that?
For the same reason that you wouldn't want to use pliers as a
hammer. gschem has very little knowledge of what the graphics
Stefan Salewski wrote:
The user base of brlCAD is marginal
and will probably shrink even more, as more intuitive open
source CAD applications will become a viable alternative.
That may be true, but I am not really happy with the wording.
Some kids may be tempted to do something like
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 10:41 -0600, John Doty wrote:
For the same reason that you wouldn't want to use pliers as a hammer.
gschem has very little knowledge of what the graphics *mean*. This is
a very good thing, a key feature of gEDA's design, one that
distinguishes it from all the
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010, John Doty wrote:
On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Maciej Pijanka wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010, John Doty wrote:
On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Maciej Pijanka wrote:
I already tried this before posting, it don't work even for gnetlist
producing
following
Hi all,
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Stefan Salewski wrote:
That said, it is certainly true that geda looses potential users
because of the command line thing.
The demo I did at Devcon didn't use the command line at all.
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:44 PM, kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote:
Evan Foss wrote:
I may have missed it but has anyone suggested the brlcad format. It
might be better than freecad in that it has export/import from a lot
of other formats already written.
It might be worse in that
Bert Timmerman wrote:
Avoiding the command line won't help you on the gschem -- simulation
work flow.
It ain't necessarily so. (cite from a song I'll sing on Wednesday :)
The current simulation work flow of geda sucks big time. Absence of
a GUI way is only a minor itch when compared with the
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:09 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote:
Avoiding the command line won't help you on the gschem -- simulation work
flow.
Can you please explain why we will always need the command line for
simulation in gEDA? (I have newer found the time doing simulations...)
Loosing
Evan Foss wrote:
Following that logic gEDA will be made extinct by kicad any day now.
I tried kicad for a little pet project a few months ago. There
were quite a few usability issues. It didn't feel like wow, it
was that easy!. On the contrary, I frequently wished they had
done things
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 21:05 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
I fully agree. There will not be much real benefit from
Windows/Ubuntu-type of users.
Oi.. lets not forget that at least one of the gEDA developers (me) is an
Ubuntu user. There is no shame in wanting your tools to just work!
/me goes
Peter Clifton wrote:
/me goes back to writing kernel profiling driver for intel GPUs to
squeeze more framerate out of PCB+GL.
Side note: I just purchased a used ATI Radeon HD 4670 that free3d.org
announces as the fastest card with open sourced drivers. I'll keep you
posted on my mileage.
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:30:46 +
Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 21:05 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
I fully agree. There will not be much real benefit from
Windows/Ubuntu-type of users.
Oi.. lets not forget that at least one of the gEDA developers (me) is an
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:30 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 21:05 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
I fully agree. There will not be much real benefit from
Windows/Ubuntu-type of users.
Oi.. lets not forget that at least one of the gEDA developers (me) is an
Ubuntu user.
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 20:49 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote:
Side note: I just purchased a used ATI Radeon HD 4670 that free3d.org
announces as the fastest card with open sourced drivers. I'll keep you
posted on my mileage.
I hope it will work fine for you -- some months ago you only
On Oct 31, 2010, at 11:00 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
Why, i wanted to create some scheme script to be invoked from
gschem to show/hide pinnumbers on currently opened schematics, why
i would use gnetlist for that?
For the same reason that you wouldn't want to use pliers as a
hammer. gschem
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:30 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
/me goes back to writing kernel profiling driver for intel GPUs to
squeeze more framerate out of PCB+GL.
Indeed I wonder why framerate is critical -- is this only for rotating
the board in 3D view? For other editing operation most of
Am 31.10.2010 um 21:05 schrieb Stefan Salewski:
There will not be much real benefit from
Windows/Ubuntu-type of users. If they do not understand a line like
cp
xxx yyy -- can we really hope that these people will at some time do
serious coding?
Then, there are many people which know cp
Worrying about pin number visibility is not focusing on the work,
but focusing on minor aspects of the presentation. That, of course,
is the strength of fritterware.
If fritterware is the best way to give the user an environment in
which they can be productive, then fritterware is what we'll
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 14:15 -0600, John Doty wrote:
Worrying about pin number visibility is not focusing on the work, but
focusing on minor aspects of the presentation. That, of course, is the
strength of fritterware.
Presentation may be the work, if you are writing a textbook. Indeed I
Hi,
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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:50 PM
To: gEDA user mailing list
Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gschem guile scripting
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 14:15
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 20:49 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
/me goes back to writing kernel profiling driver for intel GPUs to
squeeze more framerate out of PCB+GL.
Side note: I just purchased a used ATI Radeon HD 4670 that free3d.org
announces as the fastest card
Hi folks,
I've just briefly trawled through the patch bug trackers for gaf, and
committed a bunch of sensible-looking patches.
If you've got any patches that haven't yet been dealt with, and you think
should have been, please:
(1) Make sure they've been submitted to the SF.net patch tracker:
P.S. Not PCB patches. ;-)
I'm going to start trolling through those separately...
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Stefan Salewski wrote:
I hope it will work fine for you -- some months ago you only
advertised nvidia...
Yes, there was a shift. A year ago, people in
de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware discouraged me from purchasing
an ATI card. Now, it is more like both should work, but free
ATI drivers can do
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 22:29 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:30 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
/me goes back to writing kernel profiling driver for intel GPUs to
squeeze more framerate out of PCB+GL.
Indeed I wonder why framerate is critical -- is this only for
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 22:12 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote:
FYI according to ohloh.net:
gEDA approx. 31 person years effort (http://www.ohloh.net/p/gEDA)
Pcb approx. 32 person years effort (http://www.ohloh.net/p/pcb)
The difference in LOC is not much larger:
gEDA approx. 126k LOC
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 21:43 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
The update code is sadly pretty dumb.
What I wanted to ensure was fast, would be panning / zooming, which
involved full frame redraws. I want to optimise that first, _then we can
make the editing small areas case lightning fast.
Hm, does this mean you can implement a library, but you mustn't
use material from the standard to document it?
DJ Delorie wrote:
STEP is an ISO standard, which likely means you have to buy the
standard itself, but you can implement it freely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_10303
On Sunday 31 October 2010, John Doty wrote:
I am extremely grateful that gEDA is not fritterware, but
concerned that it might become fritterware.
to fritter (third-person singular simple present fritters,
present participle frittering, simple past and past participle
frittered)
1. To occupy
Perhaps, but its been on my To Do list for a long time to do a
wxWidgets port of PCB.
Why are so few people interested in FLTK?
My reason is that I had to chose a tool kit that I could use for my
day job making commercial software.
I don't like FLTK's license in that context. While a
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 00:19 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
Unfortunately there are not much examples, at least not for clever
buffering with cairo.
No, although gerbv actually seems to do a good job in this regard. IIRC,
just redrawing edges which need repainting after a pan.
Zoom can be fudged
On Oct 31, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Markus Hitter wrote:
Then, there are many people which know cp xxx yyy, but prefer to avoid it
anyways. You want to catch these.
You don't want to dumb down the toolkit. Now, if somebody wants to write a fat,
sweet integrated tool using the gEDA file formats,
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