Re: gEDA-user: PCB: coordinates and angles of the components

2010-12-02 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:38:32 -0500 Ethan Swint eswint.r...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry for my late reply - but have you tried the BOM export (File - Export Layout-BOM). One of the output files from that is an XYRS (X, Y, Rotation, Side) text file.

gEDA-user: PCB vs. cursor position

2010-12-02 Thread Kovacs Levente
Hi, Is there any way to get PCB *NOT* to save cursor position? Thanks, Levente -- Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com Voice: +36705071002 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: comments on gcode generation (was: Re: exportingsingle pcb layers)

2010-12-02 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 01.12.2010 um 21:47 schrieb Bert Timmerman: * no voronoi mode: all the other tools (see below) support a mode where they fill the unused area of the board with the closest net. this cuts the machining time down to less than 50%. Yes, this would be a very welcome addition. Is there a

Re: gEDA-user: comments on gcode generation (was: Re: exporting single pcb layers)

2010-12-02 Thread chrysn
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 10:05:48AM +0100, Alberto Maccioni wrote: * no voronoi mode: all the other tools (see below) support a mode  where they fill the unused area of the board with the closest net.  this cuts the machining time down to less than 50%. Can you explain more? an image

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: coordinates and angles of the components

2010-12-02 Thread Rick Collins
At 05:20 AM 12/2/2010, you wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:38:32 -0500 Ethan Swint eswint.r...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry for my late reply - but have you tried the BOM export (File - Export Layout-BOM). One of the output files from that is an XYRS (X, Y, Rotation, Side) text file.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: coordinates and angles of the components

2010-12-02 Thread DJ Delorie
Yes, but as I pointed out earlier, it doesn't do what I want. It averages the coordinates of the pins/pads, and it is not good when you working with asymmetric element such as SOT223. So change it :-) ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: PCB vs. cursor position

2010-12-02 Thread DJ Delorie
Is there any way to get PCB *NOT* to save cursor position? Aside from editing the sources? No :-P ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: coordinates and angles of the components

2010-12-02 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:21:00 -0500 Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: If the XYRS file output does not output proper centroids, I see this as a major issue. If they are not outputting the correct value for asymmetric parts, how do you see the centroid being defined exactly? Most of

Re: gEDA-user: PCB vs. cursor position

2010-12-02 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:40:53 -0500 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Aside from editing the sources? No :-P Okay... :-) Cold you tell me any point where to look? Thanks... Levente -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu ___ geda-user

gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi guys, Just thought I'd write some of this down and put it out there. I've spent some time recently thinking way into the future about the GUI / usability for an advanced PCB editing program. I started along the lines of... how would PCB design work if my input device was a graphics tablet

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: coordinates and angles of the components

2010-12-02 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:40:39 -0500 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: So change it :-) I rather write scripts than modify the source... Please note that my script now calculates placement angles as well! :-) -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu

Re: gEDA-user: PCB vs. cursor position

2010-12-02 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:41:01 -0500 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: src/file.c WritePCBDataHeader() Thanks -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Rick Collins
Was it just me that got a copy with no paragraph breaks? Looking at the ascii art I assume it was sent with line breaks somewhere. Rick At 03:02 PM 12/2/2010, you wrote: Hi guys, Just thought I'd write some of this down and put it out there. I've spent some time recently thinking way into

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: coordinates and angles of the components

2010-12-02 Thread Rick Collins
At 02:36 PM 12/2/2010, you wrote: On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:21:00 -0500 Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: If the XYRS file output does not output proper centroids, I see this as a major issue. If they are not outputting the correct value for

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 15:46 -0500, Rick Collins wrote: Was it just me that got a copy with no paragraph breaks? Looking at the ascii art I assume it was sent with line breaks somewhere. Rick I got it back with line-breaks! I've just re-installed, so it is possible some setting is off in

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Bob Paddock
Rick, I got line breaks. . On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Just thought I'd write some of this down and put it out there. I've spent some time recently thinking way into the future about the GUI / usability for an advanced PCB editing program. Peter,

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: coordinates and angles of the components

2010-12-02 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:44:34 -0500 Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: I'm not asking about the pick point. I'm asking about the centroid. They are completely different things. As I think I said, the centroid is to tell the assembly house where to put the part. The pick point is

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Thursday 02 December 2010 21:13:47 Bob Paddock wrote: Peter, while all of this sounds great, could we fix the collective problems that we have now first? Like what, specifically? Scrap straight line rats in favour of using the topological auto-router? Do different rat lines help ship

gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-02 Thread Stefan Dröge
Hi, I'm doing a layout using the toporouter of pcb. It really gives very nice results, but it takes really very long to run (about an hour). Is this normal? If I look at the run times on Anthony Blake's page (http://anthonix.resnet.scms.waikato.ac.nz/toporouter/), they are in the magnitude of

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 03:46:55PM -0500, Rick Collins wrote: Was it just me that got a copy with no paragraph breaks? Looking at the ascii art I assume it was sent with line breaks somewhere. I got a copy with correct line-breaks. I think it's just you. -- Andrew Poelstra Email: asp11 at

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-02 Thread Anthony Blake
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Stefan Dröge ste...@sdroege.de wrote: Is my design just too complicated, or are there some dubious settings that prevent the toporouter from beeing faster? It was probably an impossible problem to solve without vias, and vias aren't implemented yet. Regards,

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 16:13 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: Scrap straight line rats in favour of using the topological auto-router? Do different rat lines help ship products? Not that I see. I imagined (although I've not coded to verify), that more intelligent AUTO-routing of rats against

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: On Thursday 02 December 2010 21:13:47 Bob Paddock wrote: Peter, while all of this sounds great, could we fix the collective problems that we have now first? Like what, specifically? The 446 bugs in the tracker are a

gEDA-user: reference on good design practices for footprints

2010-12-02 Thread Oliver King-Smith
I am coming from the Eagle world, and I am trying the gEDA world for the first time. In Eagle you don't need to think solder masks vs pad sizes, or other such details. They were pretty much hardwired in the program. Is there a good tutorial / reference documentation for

Re: gEDA-user: reference on good design practices for footprints

2010-12-02 Thread DJ Delorie
In order... 1. Do what the part's spec says to do 2. Do what your pcb fab says to do 3. Do whatever makes your life easy :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Rick Collins
I don't know. I've been told it is the Eudora email program that I still use. But it only happens with a few emails, always from one of two mailing lists. Someone in this list once tried to get to the bottom of it and found there were some things he could do to prevent it, but he doesn't

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Anthony Blake
Cool.. yeah I've always thought the future is in sketching topology and defining constraints.. sounds awesome! I remember talking about basically the same thing a couple of times over the last few years.. I was referring to it as semi-automatic routing where you sketch the topology of a net with