Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - Keyboard shortcuts

2011-08-19 Thread Felix Ruoff
Hello all, Am 19.08.2011 02:47, schrieb Andrew Poelstra: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 01:13:37PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Ctrl-n doesn't toggle visibility? That's what the lesstif HID uses. No. There is code in there to do this, but (to the best of my knowledge) it has never worked. The current

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:05:30 -0400 John Hudak jjhu...@gmail.com wrote: So, this causes me to ask the question: Why hasen't gattrib been removed from:http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gaf as well as any other instances? While the concept is good, the implementation is worthless, and

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:12:57 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Colin D Bennett wrote: I really dislike the double-click idea. I often need to quickly enable/disable visibility of multiple layers, Nothing beats accel-keys for fast actions. In this case [ctrl-N] or

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:22:11 -0700 Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:34:04PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Andrew Poelstra wrote: I like KMK's click/double-click idea if possible. Very possible. But you would still be unable to toggle visibility

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread John Doty
On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:05 PM, John Hudak wrote: So, this causes me to ask the question: Why hasen't gattrib been removed from:[3]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gaf as well as any other instances? Perhaps because some of us use it. While the concept is

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Andrew Poelstra wrote: I have increased the swatch size. Take a look at: http://wpsoftware.net/andrew/dump/mockup3.png Nice. Although the font is larger than with the current widget, the whole stack is still significantly smaller. And it looks less crowded, too :-) The swatches are far

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Hudak wrote: My expectation (hope, guess?) was with an effort that is open source, users would contribute their symbols to the library, and the symbol library would be huge. I didn't find that reality. I assumed this because users would 'giveback' to the community. Clearly some have

Re: gEDA-user: Layer selective DRC

2011-08-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Poelstra wrote: On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 11:16:11PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: The procedures with no_drc look unchanged. I still don't see a way to make this work. I give up and write a bug report. Bump. Rebump. (Whenever I

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - Keyboard shortcuts

2011-08-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Felix Ruoff wrote: Ctrl-n doesn't toggle visibility? That's what the lesstif HID uses. ..snip.. I would not like to use ctrl+n for this because for GTK+ (and propably other GUI frameworks) this is the default action for 'New...'. (as actually set in gpcb-menu.res). This meant control key

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 18:57 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: That is how I would like it to work. But clicking the swatch also selects the layer, which is undesirable behavior. There is no clean way to prevent this with a GtkTreeView widget. Is there any dirty way to prevent it? ;) I note that

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread Andy Fierman
What is mfgs? Manufacturers? (Not sure why they'd be bothered to contribute symbols anyway. They do very few for commercial packages.)          Andy. signality.co.uk ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread Joshua
-- It's useful for touch up of a few attributes, but not for the broad changes you want. The spreadsheet approach really doesn't scale well anyway. If you have 300 bypass capacitors in a project, it's much more efficient to have a heavy project-specific bypass capacitor symbol with all of the

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread John Hudak
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:40 PM, John Doty [1]j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:05 PM, John Hudak wrote: So, this causes me to ask the question: Why hasen't gattrib been removed from:[3][2]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gaf as well as any

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-19 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 01:01:07PM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 18:57 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: That is how I would like it to work. But clicking the swatch also selects the layer, which is undesirable behavior. There is no clean way to prevent this with a

gEDA-user: PCB+GL rebased to git HEAD (with nanometers)

2011-08-19 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi everyone, My PCB+GL branches are now rebased against git HEAD, with all the excellent work from Andrew Poelstra on the internal unit conversion to nanometers. Please test and let me know if you find any bugs. I've given it cursory testing, but haven't actually used it much myself yet. Best

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 16:32 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: Yes, I found one -- and it is not actually that dirty. You can intercept the button-press-event signal, use the function gtk_tree_view_get_path_at_pos () to figure out what cell is clicked on, then prevent the propagation of the

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-19 Thread Andrew Poelstra
Thanks for all of your input, guys. I've done the fun parts now (i.e., writing the widget) and still have to hook it into the Gtk menu system. It looks like it won't be too hard, once I understand everything that's going on in there. I have a busy weekend, so I won't be posting anything you can

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread DJ Delorie
Not true with gattrib_csv. All 300 instances are grouped together on one line if all their properties are the same. One edit and an import and then all 300 have been updated. gattrib_csv scales very nicely to large projects. Would you be willing to share that code with my sch2csv/csv2sch

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-19 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 05:22:57PM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: Cool. Here's a fun idea - had you considered using the tree view's _tree_ feature to show layer groups? That might let us allow switching off entire layer groups, or individual layers within them. Oooh. I had not

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-19 Thread DJ Delorie
Do we need any core changes to support any new functionality we've decided on? I know people ask about making sug-group layers separately controllable, and/or making narrower classes of objects visible. ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-19 Thread DJ Delorie
I can't use Shift without making assumptions about what character Shift+1 corresponds to on the user's keyboard. So that's out. The lesstif hid traps the events before they're translated, so it can do this. ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-19 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:41:58PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Do we need any core changes to support any new functionality we've decided on? I know people ask about making sug-group layers separately controllable, and/or making narrower classes of objects visible. Not with the current

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL rebased to git HEAD (with nanometers)

2011-08-19 Thread Dave McGuire
On 08/19/2011 12:18 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: My PCB+GL branches are now rebased against git HEAD, with all the excellent work from Andrew Poelstra on the internal unit conversion to nanometers. Please test and let me know if you find any bugs. I've given it cursory testing, but haven't actually

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-19 Thread Joshua
Not true with gattrib_csv. All 300 instances are grouped together on one line if all their properties are the same. One edit and an import and then all 300 have been updated. gattrib_csv scales very nicely to large projects. Would you be willing to share that code with my sch2csv/csv2sch

gEDA-user: Has anyone in this group seriously used KiCAD?

2011-08-19 Thread John Hudak
Pros/cons? and please, no philosphy about integrated vs independent tools...I am interested in aspects such as what things work? what doesn't? user experiences such as strengths and weakness (again actual/functional and not philosophy) Thanks John

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-19 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:41:58PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: [...] Though, I am still unsure how to indicate that the last 4 layers can't be used for drawing. Put the item names in parenthesis. -- There are some things in life worth obsessing over.  Most things aren't, and when you learn

Re: gEDA-user: Commandline option --menu-file

2011-08-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:44:12 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: d) While menues can be ripped off and used as a toolbox, they don't remember their state beyond the end of the session. This essentially prevents persistent user configuration of the GUI. Actually, the GTK

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL rebased to git HEAD (with nanometers)

2011-08-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave McGuire wrote: If I may make a suggestion...For those of us who don't access the repository regularly, and don't live and breathe git (I'm an SVN guy), it might be helpful to put a quickie command line (or two) in these sorts of

Re: gEDA-user: Has anyone in this group seriously used KiCAD?

2011-08-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:55:31 -0400 John Hudak jjhu...@gmail.com wrote: Pros/cons? and please, no philosphy about integrated vs independent tools...I am interested in aspects such as what things work? what doesn't? user experiences such as strengths and weakness (again actual/functional and

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL rebased to git HEAD (with nanometers)

2011-08-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:08:57 -0400 Dave McGuire mcgu...@neurotica.com wrote: On 08/19/2011 12:18 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: My PCB+GL branches are now rebased against git HEAD, with all the excellent work from Andrew Poelstra on the internal unit conversion to nanometers. Please test and

Re: gEDA-user: Has anyone in this group seriously used KiCAD?

2011-08-19 Thread Josh Jordan
Same here, I remember some aspects were difficult to figure out, and some basic features were lacking (didnt have copy/paste at the time but it does now), but at the same time it had advanced features like 3d models for parts. It would be nice if geda and kicad could read each