Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread Russell Dill
One of my dream projects is to do a GUI for pcb that uses two or more monitors, with one monitor heavy on the toolbars and showing an overview thumber window, and the other monitor being 100% layout. eh, one of the reasons I really like having two monitors is so I can have reference

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 01:42 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: Even conversion of old legacy Altium designs could be done given access ^ Is this a serious restriction? Would it be possible for a user of a current altium license to

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread Stephen Ecob
Even conversion of old legacy Altium designs could be done given access I expect there will be a growing demand for exit options for Altium users once the full impact of their recent upheaval settles in. It could benefit the gEDA community to adopt Altium refugees - they're used to spending $4K

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL rebased to git HEAD (with nanometers) - bugwith arcs?

2011-08-24 Thread michalwd1979
Andrew and Kai-Martin, I've saved the broken (with wrong Q42) board using pcb+gl_experimantal.stgit branch. No problems with with pcb+gl, but I did not try to open broken file there. Anyway I remember that there was a situation when one version (after some moving/dragging components) showed

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Matthew Lewis wrote: but the change had no effect since the older m4 lib is being used when you import a schematic. You have to go back and manually replace the footprints if you want newlib. This is why I habitually move the m4 lib out of the way, so gnetlist does not find it even if it

Re: gEDA-user: slotting question

2011-08-24 Thread John Doty
On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:45 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 08/22/2011 07:45 AM, Kovacs Levente wrote: I open up a new schematic, place two instances of 7404-1, edit the attributes of the second one, promote the slot attribute, edit the newly-accessible one, change it to 2, save it, save the

gEDA-user: howto pin size

2011-08-24 Thread kqt4at5v
$ pcb --version PCB version 1.99z $ git log -1 commit 87572b48e0d58b8f69d4aece6e22c4a5d89a16c5 Author: Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca Date: Mon Aug 22 17:10:23 2011 -0700 Fix segfault in report.c text report output I have a component with a pin that info shows copper width = 72 I want to

gEDA-user: Symbols with Multiple Heterogeneous Gates in Gschem

2011-08-24 Thread Gus Fantanas
Hello All, How does gschem handle cases of different gates in the same package? For example, I am trying to create a symbol for On Semiconductor's NTZD3155C complementary PMOS-NMOS MOSFET pair. Unlike the dual/quad NAND/NOR gates in the gschem tutorials, this package contains two

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread John Hudak
dont ya love moderated lists? lol on a more serious note, yes, a path from altium would be huge, but in all honesty, having tools that work and inter-operate would be much better. After playing with KiCAD for a bit, they have a very nice integrated tool suite that all works...and

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-24 Thread Ethan Swint
On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the anode and PCB considers pin 1 to be the cathode. It doesn't

Re: gEDA-user: Symbols with Multiple Heterogeneous Gates in Gschem

2011-08-24 Thread Ethan Swint
On 08/24/2011 12:34 AM, Gus Fantanas wrote: Hello All, How does gschem handle cases of different gates in the same package? For example, I am trying to create a symbol for On Semiconductor's NTZD3155C complementary PMOS-NMOS MOSFET pair. Unlike the dual/quad NAND/NOR gates in the gschem

Re: gEDA-user: howto pin size

2011-08-24 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 05:14:43AM -0500, kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: $ pcb --version PCB version 1.99z $ git log -1 commit 87572b48e0d58b8f69d4aece6e22c4a5d89a16c5 Author: Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca Date: Mon Aug 22 17:10:23 2011 -0700 Fix segfault in report.c text report

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread Jared Casper
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Indeed.  The posts to the list that I woke up to this morning took a frighteningly KiCad-centric turn. Well, this is, because apparently one of the kicad developers showed up. Is any of the geda devs going to

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Ethan Swint wrote: On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the anode

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread DJ Delorie
eh, one of the reasons I really like having two monitors is so I can I have four monitors (monitors are cheap!). layout on the main monitor, menus and dialogs on the left, pdfs on the right, schematic on the upper. ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread DJ Delorie
No offense, but from all the stuff I've read from the gEDA base, various blog postings, and freelance how-tos, a common topic that always seems to come up is that with these tools and a knowledge of scripting languages, one can do just about anything. There are two camps here. One pushes

Re: gEDA-user: Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics ?

2011-08-24 Thread Dan Roganti
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:35 PM, DJ Delorie [1]d...@delorie.com wrote: I wouldn't know how to tell PCB that it should look at several schematics for the import action. Maybe, DJ can add a comment. Layout-level Attributes: import::src0 = file1.sch import::src1 =

Re: gEDA-user: howto pin size

2011-08-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: I have a component with a pin that info shows copper width = 72 I want to set copper width to 70 so I go to File-Preferneces-Increments and set Size Increment/Decrement to 1 and press OK This feature is currently broken (and

Re: gEDA-user: slotting question

2011-08-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Dave McGuire wrote: You should promote the slot attribute for both instances. Even though slot #1 defaults to 1? In any event, I've tried all combinations, and I still get the same behavior. This is with v1.6.2.20110115. This is repeatable here, using symbol 7404-1 from the

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Colin D Bennett wrote: The lesstif tear-off model isn't so hot either. I've been considering writing my own from scratch to work around some of the weirdisms. I used the tear-offs for grid size when it worked, so I could quickly switch back and forth between fine and coarse, imperial and

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Peter Clifton wrote: For converting legacy designs, an import from gerber might be more generally useful to our user base, and doesn't require decyphering unknown file formats. Admittedly this looses footprint information, but perhaps that isn't always an issue. Sometimes I would like to

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread John Doty
On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:33 AM, Jared Casper wrote: I chuckled at what this community would think of the comment, in response to There are users who prefer separate dedicated applications to an integrated design environment., BTW. How many of these users have ever designed a PCB with more than

Re: gEDA-user: howto pin size

2011-08-24 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:14:23 -0700 Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 05:14:43AM -0500, kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: I have a component with a pin that info shows copper width = 72 I want to set copper width to 70 so I go to File-Preferneces-Increments and set Size

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering - anode/cathode definition

2011-08-24 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:21:17 -0400 Ethan Swint eswint.r...@verizon.net wrote: On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode should be pin 1.

Re: gEDA-user: How to do PCB Autorouting with non-plated holes

2011-08-24 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:53:23 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I thought about that... making different footprints that don't have copper on the component side of the pins. Since that would require making new footprints for pretty much everything,

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:42:26 +0100 Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: For converting legacy designs, an import from gerber might be more generally useful to our user base, and doesn't require decyphering unknown file formats. Admittedly this looses footprint information, but perhaps that

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:53 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: eh, one of the reasons I really like having two monitors is so I can I have four monitors (monitors are cheap!). layout on the main monitor, menus and dialogs on the left, pdfs on the right, schematic on the upper. More or less

Re: gEDA-user: howto pin size

2011-08-24 Thread kqt4at5v
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:14:23 -0700 Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 05:14:43AM -0500, kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: I have a component with a pin that info shows copper width = 72 I want to set copper width to 70 so I go to

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:01 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: Unpacking the container format, separating out individual footprints from a library, identifying most of the binary record types within those footprints. It would take time and examples to verify we can know

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 22:14 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:01 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: Unpacking the container format, separating out individual footprints from a library, identifying most of the binary record types within those

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 20:28 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:53 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: eh, one of the reasons I really like having two monitors is so I can I have four monitors (monitors are cheap!). layout on the main monitor, menus and dialogs on the left,

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:53 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: eh, one of the reasons I really like having two monitors is so I can I have four monitors (monitors are cheap!). layout on the main monitor, menus and dialogs on the left, pdfs on the right, schematic on the upper. A decent graphics

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread DJ Delorie
A decent graphics card capable of driving them is not though.. and it needs to have working GL drivers under Linux too ;) Two cheap dual-dvi nvidia cards is all it takes. The problem is when you want a single desktop across two cards, then X starts tripping over itself.

Re: gEDA-user: howto pin size

2011-08-24 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 04:31:23PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: I have a component with a pin that info shows copper width = 72 I want to set copper width to 70 so I go to File-Preferneces-Increments and set Size Increment/Decrement to 1 and press OK

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-24 Thread John Griessen
On 08/22/2011 11:29 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: The commercial package he wants to keep up with seems to be altium designer. Oh, I guess that's why I referred his request to others. I like the radical flexibility of gEDA tools without getting evangelical about it, and KiCAD is closer to