Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-09-02 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 08:37:59PM -0600, John Doty wrote: On Aug 27, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: This problem goes beyond diodes and transistors. For example, the old 10H series of ECL parts came both in DIP packages as well as PLCC packages. Some of the parts though, would

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 10:55:10 -0700 Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: Can we use toggle buttons instead of radio buttons for the route style selector? It would look like so: http://wpsoftware.net/andrew/dump/toggle.png This gives more clickable area and a cleaner look, I think. While

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Andrew Poelstra wrote: Can we use toggle buttons instead of radio buttons for the route style selector? It would look like so: http://wpsoftware.net/andrew/dump/toggle.png This gives more clickable area and a cleaner look, I think. The look is still inconsistent. The buttons are

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Peter Clifton wrote: Throwing out a crazy idea.. in word-processors etc.., styles are found in a drop-down combo-box. I know that doesn't fit so well with where we have space for the route-style selector, but just a crazy though. In my humble opinon, the space would be used better by an

Re: gEDA-user: slotting question

2011-09-02 Thread Dan Roganti
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:20 PM, John Doty [1]j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:45 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: In any event, I've tried all combinations, and I still get the same behavior. This is with v1.6.2.20110115. This is repeatable here, using symbol 7404-1 from

Re: gEDA-user: slotting question

2011-09-02 Thread Dan Roganti
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Dave McGuire [1]mcgu...@neurotica.com wrote: On 08/26/2011 01:47 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: I still get the correct result. A stab in the dark: Maybe you have a copy of 7404-1.sym somewhere on your hardware that actually is a

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Steve Meier
wouldn't it be nice to be able to tell a polygon that it belongs to a net and the have the thermals that disagree highlighted? On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 15:13 +1000, Stephen Ecob wrote: Usually, when I have power and ground shorted, it's because of a via placed some where that was accidentally

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Thomas Oldbury
Unfortunately, the highlighting just tells you WHICH nets are shorted, not where they are shorted. I tried deleting the objects in question which highlight orange. Now it just highlights some more objects orange indicating 3.3V and ground are shorted somewhere. Is there any way

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Patrick Doyle
I don't know if this will help or not, but here goes... I've never used net highlighting in PCB before, but I had a similar problem in an ASIC designed using Cadence's Virtuoso layout editor. I ultimately tracked it down using the highlight trace feature of the program, which included the nifty

gEDA-user: 50 mil pitch through hole perf/proto board

2011-09-02 Thread Patrick Doyle
Hi folks! Do any of you know of a through-hole perfboard or protoboard that has a 50 mil pitch? I have a 128 pin through-hole connector arranged as 2 rows of 64 pins, spaced on a 0.05 pitch. (The two rows are space 0.25 apart.) I could solder wires onto each of these pins and attach them to a

Re: gEDA-user: 50 mil pitch through hole perf/proto board

2011-09-02 Thread Tom Pope
Why not make one? Seeedstudio's PCB manufacturing service will give you (10x)100cm^2 boards for ~$25. http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/fusion-pcb-service-p-835.html?cPath=185 On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Patrick Doyle wpds...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks! Do any of you know of a through-hole

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Thomas Oldbury toldb...@gmail.com wrote:   When I delete the shorted objects (a microSD card connector, and a 3   pin header) the short location moves!!   I can't see a short anywhere on this board. I've searched the PCB file   for shorted thermals, no luck.  

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread DJ Delorie
FWIW, I never use the style buttons in lesstif (they're a tear-off menu). I always open the style editor and use that instead - it has buttons to select the style, but *also* tells me what the style is, and lets me tweak it as I go. ___ geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread DJ Delorie
wouldn't it be nice to be able to tell a polygon that it belongs to a net and the have the thermals that disagree highlighted? Yes, it would :-) I thought of an idea for a plugin... starting with each pin/pad, trace connections back to the next intersection (rather than blindly finding the

Re: gEDA-user: 50 mil pitch through hole perf/proto board

2011-09-02 Thread Patrick Doyle
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Stephen Ecob silicon.on.inspirat...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Tom Pope introc...@gmail.com wrote: Why not make one? Seeedstudio's PCB manufacturing service will give you (10x)100cm^2 boards for ~$25.

gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread John Griessen
Does the category low end bother you? Original Message Subject: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem? Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:12:20 +1000 From: Dave Jones d...@eevblog.com CC: upda...@lists.openhardwaresummit.org I'm planning a review of the

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread DJ Delorie
Does the category low end bother you? Nope. Dave comes from Altium so everything is relative to that ;-) Besides, I always thought geda/pcb's competition was Eagle, not the real high-end EDA tools. There are a *lot* of features we don't have, that are hard to come by, that the high end tools

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 03:02:51AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Andrew Poelstra wrote: Can we use toggle buttons instead of radio buttons for the route style selector? It would look like so: http://wpsoftware.net/andrew/dump/toggle.png This gives more clickable area and a

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Russell Dill
Since we have such a good, algorithmic method for finding these shorts, perhaps we can write some code to do it for our puny human minds?  ;) Usually, when I have power and ground shorted, it's because of a via placed some where that was accidentally assigned thermals to the wrong layer. I

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 18:08 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 11:36 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Does the category low end bother you? Nope. Dave comes from Altium so everything is relative to that ;-) Besides, I always thought geda/pcb's competition was Eagle, And

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 20:26 -0700, Russell Dill wrote: Throwing out a crazy idea.. in word-processors etc.., styles are found in a drop-down combo-box. I know that doesn't fit so well with where we have space for the route-style selector, but just a crazy though. One day, when we

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 20:26 -0700, Russell Dill wrote: Throwing out a crazy idea.. in word-processors etc.., styles are found in a drop-down combo-box. I know that doesn't fit so well with where we have space for the

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Bob Paddock
Just for the record, I'm not sure what our moderation policy is. Are any of your posts being rejected by moderation? (If so - just what kind of emails are you sending? ;)). One of the things that changed when the list went moderated, is that I no longer see my own posts, so I really never know

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Steven Michalske
I rarely see my own posts, I turned on post acks. On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Bob Paddock graceindustr...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the record, I'm not sure what our moderation policy is. Are any of your posts being rejected by moderation? (If so - just what kind of emails are you

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 03:45:57PM -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: Just for the record, I'm not sure what our moderation policy is. Are any of your posts being rejected by moderation? (If so - just what kind of emails are you sending? ;)). One of the things that changed when the list went

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 01:10:10PM -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: I see it sometimes, but with other people's messages as often as mine. For example, Peter C. recently replied to a message from Stephan. I received Peter's reply but not Stephan's message. I meant to say 'Stefan Salewski' here.

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Stephen Ecob
I remember the old Quake maps had to be sealed, so any loose seam would cause problems. Because the map editor doesn't know what you meant to be outside/inside, etc, the map editor had a feature to deal with this, it would create a line that would start in one area, and head to another. All

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:46:02 -0700 Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 03:02:51AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Andrew Poelstra wrote: Can we use toggle buttons instead of radio buttons for the route style selector? It would look like so:

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Griessen wrote: Does the category low end bother you? It is at the low end of the price tag scale :-) ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1,

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:18:20 -0500 John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: Does the category low end bother you? Well, I think low-end is not very specific in reality. Does gEDA really belong in the category of EAGLE, or is it much more powerful? Maybe the “low-end” attitude toward gEDA is

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 17:35 -0700, Russell Dill wrote: I'll just sit back and wish for auto-route style by net property. Yes, I still think that old wish would be an improvement. One more step from a painting program to real EDA. Having properties/attributes like width, clearance,

Re: gEDA-user: slotting question

2011-09-02 Thread Dave McGuire
On 09/01/2011 07:50 PM, Dan Roganti wrote: I feel really, really stupid. This is exactly what happened. There was another 7404-1.sym file in my symbol path, an old one that I had created years ago, and it was shadowing the real one, overriding it when the sheet was

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Steven Michalske
On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Colin D Bennett co...@gibibit.com wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:18:20 -0500 John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: Does the category low end bother you? Well, I think low-end is not very specific in reality. Does gEDA really belong in the category of