Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:20:53 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: We had a meeting at CERN on Friday and decided we would start contributing to the Kicad project in view of taking it to a level of quality and features suitable for our PCB design activities. It was to be

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:04:03 -0400 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: there are any bugs This is with GTK GUI and yesterday's HEAD. 1. Set the copper diameter of vias for the current style 2. Go into the via tool. 3. Try place a via. The drill diameter will be the copper diameter. The copper

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:04:03 -0400 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: When you do save buffer elements to file and you point the chooser to an existing file, pcb exits with this message: ** Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.20.1/gtk/gtkfilechooserdefault.c:8125:get_display_name_from_file_list:

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
Each time I save my layout, a message appears: layout changed. Do you want to load it? or something like that. Brr well of couse it changed! I saved it! :-) Ok, I know it is a good feature... -- Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com Voice: +36705071002

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:04:03 -0400 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: At this time, I'd like to ask folks to try the git head PCB and see if there are any bugs that must be fixed for this release, and/or work on Orthogonal moves doesn't work and sometimes some menu items in the GTK hid

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread John Hudak
You might want to consider import/export capability for the most widely used commercial product (not sure what that is at the moment). You may want to consider the following as well: 1) An updated tutorial that is accurate (IIRC, last edit is 2007, a bit long in the tooth, not to

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: Also, please try the windows installer nightly builds: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/geda-windows/ This afternoon I talked one of the PhD students into trying the nightly build on her WinXP dexktop. The pcb binary loaded fine and looked good with the new layer selection box and

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Meier
you all never worried about cern before? why start now? better to just keep focused on your current customers then unknown future additional users. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:42 +0200, Kovacs Levente wrote: Each time I save my layout, a message appears: layout changed. Do you want to load it? or something like that. Brr well of couse it changed! I saved it! :-) Ok, I know it is a good feature... Yes - it turns out that my code

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Stefan Salewski
Hello John, I am really happy (and a bit of surprised) that critical postings are still allowed for this list. On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 22:07 -0400, John Hudak wrote: You might want to consider import/export capability for the most widely used commercial product (not sure what that is at the

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Steve Meier wrote: you all never worried about cern before? why start now? better to just keep focused on your current customers then unknown future additional users. For what its worth: Yes, I am worried about geda not being the preferred EDA tool in a scientific environment, becausethis is

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Hudak wrote: Anyway, I switched to using KiCAD and it was like going from driving a FIAT stick to driving a 911 stick... Please elaborate on this one. What exactly constituted the difference that made you feel like that? You already told us about the library/M4 thing. But there was

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Hudak wrote: Anyway, I switched to using KiCAD and it was like going from driving a FIAT stick to driving a 911 stick. Just a head-up note: When I tried kicad a few months back, I felt the exact opposite. I just did not seem to get anywhere with a little test project. Of course this is

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Orthogonal moves doesn't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/pcb/+bug/699202 I worked on this for a while last week, it's *really* hard to get this right as a separate flag because of the way the tools are implemented. There's no easy way to tell when to reset the origin, or when to apply

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread DJ Delorie
you all never worried about cern before? why start now? It's not CERN itself that's the issue, it's that a big organization wanted to help a project, and it wasn't us. The more developers Kicad gets, the more users they'll get, which brings in more developers, etc. If we lose developers, we

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 15:01 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: CERN is a missed opportunity. No reason to deny it, no reason to give up, either. But maybe an occasion to think about the reasons. I had wondered if part of the reasoning might be that KiCad feels a lot more local to them. (KiCad

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:08 AM, DJ Delorie [1]d...@delorie.com wrote: you all never worried about cern before? why start now? It's not CERN itself that's the issue, it's that a big organization wanted to help a project, and it wasn't us. The more developers Kicad

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread John Hudak
Um, with all due respectI don't consider myself 'simple minded'I am a professional EE, been working in this industry for a 28+ years, and have a few technical advanced degrees.I have both worked in and managed groups of EEs doing state of the art EE research and design. So,

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Josef Wolf
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:27:08AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:59:39 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 09:13:06PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: IMHO, this works against user expectation. After all, the whole point of the

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread John Griessen
On 09/07/2011 09:48 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: I had wondered if part of the reasoning might be that KiCad feels a lot more local to them. (KiCad being a French originated project - CERN being on the French / Swiss border.) That is one thing. Also they stated their wants as integrated printed

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:44 PM, John Doty [1]j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Josef Wolf wrote: Hello, I have a strange usability behavior with gschem 1.6.2.20110115 (the version that comes with ubuntu-11.04). I have attached a small schematic to

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Griessen [1]j...@ecosensory.com wrote: I can see a core set of plugins shipping with the source, but not all. I don't see it as a big deal though, since if a feature is really core it will be in the core, so not shipping plugins

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:54:27 +0100 Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:42 +0200, Kovacs Levente wrote: Each time I save my layout, a message appears: layout changed. Do you want to load it? or something like that. Brr well of couse it changed! I saved

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 19:12:03 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:27:08AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: I have recently started to like the gschem Magnetic Net mode, now that I learned to use Ctrl-click to put explicit intermediate points in the lines

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Griessen wrote: I bet gEDA seems too complicated. I bet not :-) CERN software engeneers don't fear complexity -- not under the hood, nor on the interface. They strive for elegance and excellent results instead. See the structure and the UI of paw, or root. The main thing was

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Josef Wolf wrote: With this work flow, you'd have as much (or even more) mouse clicks as without the tool. So what's the point of using the tool if you have _more_ work with it than without it? I don't seem to have have more work than without it. Benefits: You can zoom way out and still be

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Dan Roganti wrote: I'll be glad to help anyone in this development group with this documentation work. I am close to start off a gEDA wikibook (http://en.wikibooks.org). Would you join the effort? ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de

Re: gEDA-user: PCB panner control

2011-09-07 Thread Peter C.J. Clifton
On Sep 7 2011, Colin D Bennett wrote: (Actually, I would prefer to stop auto-scroll forever, because it always scrolls when I don't intend it to, and it doesn't work right when I _do_ want it to scroll... I wonder if it can be disabled by setting auto-pan-speed in pcb preferences file to 0...

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:56 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:54:27 +0100 I've fixed it now by copying the gedit solution of checking file mtimes on mouse in to the main window. (Should cover most use-cases of the user switching between applications editing the same file). I

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 22:47 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:56 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: How about this for a solution: 1. When saving to disk, don't disconnect/reconnect the file watch, just leave it connected. However, ignore any file modification

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 10:51:31PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Dan Roganti wrote: I'll be glad to help anyone in this development group with this documentation work. I am close to start off a gEDA wikibook (http://en.wikibooks.org). Would you join the effort? I'd be happy to

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak [1]k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Dan Roganti wrote: I'll be glad to help anyone in this development group with this documentation work. I am close to start off a gEDA wikibook ([2]http://en.wikibooks.org). Would you