Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi all, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Peter Clifton Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:16 AM To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin On Fri, 2011-09-16 at

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Jared Casper
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Bert Timmerman bert.timmer...@xs4all.nl wrote: PCB mostly has a consistent style, and we won't apply patches which don't follow that. This is the next patch on my todo list. Is the above the exact syntax ? No worries, I changed the style in the first place

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 01:25 -0700, Jared Casper wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Bert Timmerman bert.timmer...@xs4all.nl wrote: PCB mostly has a consistent style, and we won't apply patches which don't follow that. This is the next patch on my todo list. Is the above the exact

gEDA-user: windows and opengl

2011-09-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
The most obvious difference between the windows version of PCB and the one built for linux is transparency. Why is this so? If I read the opengl description correctly, all windows versions should be able to deal with opengl commands even if a driver for hardware acceleration is missing. And of

gEDA-user: Happy 20th

2011-09-18 Thread Darryl Gibson
Happy Birthday to Linux, 20 years old today. (9/17) -- Darryl Gibson N2DIY Linux, free software, for the people, by the people. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Peter Clifton wrote: PCB mostly has a consistent style, and we won't apply patches which don't follow that. Two space indents, if (test) { statements (like, this); } else { even_if_they_ARE_horrid (); } Can the style conventions be found anywhere in a halfway comprehensive

Re: gEDA-user: windows and opengl

2011-09-18 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: provides accelerated drivers for windows. Wouldn't openGL just work in such an environment? GLEW is typically used: http://glew.sourceforge.net/ You can find an example of its usage in the Toped project:

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Bob Paddock
Can the style conventions be found anywhere in a halfway comprehensive written form? http://astyle.sourceforge.net/ Better would be to write a AStyle configuration file, that matches the standard style of the code, that could then be applied to the code so all of it is completely

Re: gEDA-user: Happy 20th

2011-09-18 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi, congrats too, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Darryl Gibson Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:45 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: gEDA-user: Happy 20th Happy Birthday to Linux, 20

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
Is the above the exact syntax ? PCB follows the GNU coding standards, Run the source through indent and it should come out correct. The only exception, usually, is comments (since we build docs from them) and table-formatted structure data, since GNU style creates much more whitespace than we

Re: gEDA-user: windows and opengl

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
The most obvious difference between the windows version of PCB and the one built for linux is transparency. Why is this so? We couldn't get it working correctly in time. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
Can the style conventions be found anywhere in a halfway comprehensive written form? http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Jared Casper
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Just for the record, I don't like PCB's code formatting style myself either ;) I assume there are PCB devs that prefer the gnu style? Or is it only enforced to be consistent with all the legacy code? Jared

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
I assume there are PCB devs that prefer the gnu style? 1. I prefer GNU style. Emacs automatically does this style when coding, too. 2. GNU style seems to be popular elsewhere too, which reduces the learning curve for many new developers 3. Historically, that's what we've used.

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Jared Casper
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I assume there are PCB devs that prefer the gnu style? 1. I prefer GNU style.  Emacs automatically does this style when   coding, too. Good enough. Note that Emacs automatically does whatever style you tell it to,

Re: gEDA-user: windows and opengl

2011-09-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: The most obvious difference between the windows version of PCB and the one built for linux is transparency. Why is this so? We couldn't get it working correctly in time. Is there a serious road block? Can I tell potential users that this will most likely be rectified on

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: Is the above the exact syntax ? PCB follows the GNU coding standards, (.. snip ..) The only exception, usually, is comments Is this also true for the c portion of gschem, gnetlist, gerbvierw, etc. ? ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak, Email: k...@familieknaak.de

Re: gEDA-user: coding style

2011-09-18 Thread Dave McGuire
On 09/18/2011 11:04 PM, Andrew Poelstra wrote: Well, C itself doesn't seem to be used too much outside of 10 year old code. Nowadays the language du jour seems to be Python, and C is only used for library-type projects that want many language bindings. For web apps and other trendy stuff,

Re: gEDA-user: windows and opengl

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
Is there a serious road block? Yes - the code just doesn't work. The PCB window is very messed up, including no menus or sidebar and a misaligned crosshair. Can I tell potential users that this will most likely be rectified on a reasonable time frame -- Say in, in a few months?

gEDA-user: PCB 20110918 Released

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
PCB 20110918 has been Released! Many thanks to everyone who put effort into this release, from the huge new feature sets to the tiniest doc fixes, every little bit helps! This release saw about three times the number of commits over the previous two releases, and many first-time contributors

gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Just got fooled by the classic solder/component vs top/bottom, again. It just won't stick with me, that solder is supposed to be a synonym to top. I addressed the issue before about a year ago: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/31354/focus=31356 Consensus seemed to be that

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
It just won't stick with me, that solder is supposed to be a synonym to top. Good, because solder is a synonym for bottom. ;-) Still unhappy with moderation of geda-user. Why? Because it is completely intransparent. Please do not mix your political agenda with technical questions.

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:24:51AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Just got fooled by the classic solder/component vs top/bottom, again. It just won't stick with me, that solder is supposed to be a synonym to top. I addressed the issue before about a year ago:

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 08:47:36PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Still unhappy with moderation of geda-user. Why? Because it is completely intransparent. Please do not mix your political agenda with technical questions. In Kai's defense, his message was in his signature, which is clearly

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:24:51 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Just got fooled by the classic solder/component vs top/bottom, again. It just won't stick with me, that solder is supposed to be a synonym to top. DJ's clarification aside, I would vote for top/bottom, with each

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread John Griessen
On 09/18/2011 07:56 PM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: DJ's clarification aside, I would vote for top/bottom, with each of those symbolically being placed in the list. That is, for an 8-layer default: Top, Layer 2, Layer 3, ..., Layer 7, Bottom +1 JG

Re: gEDA-user: coding style

2011-09-18 Thread John Griessen
On 09/18/2011 10:04 PM, Andrew Poelstra wrote: Well, C itself doesn't seem to be used too much outside of 10 year old code. Nowadays the language du jour seems to be Python, and C is only used for library-type projects that want many language bindings. IMHO everything should be Lisp.;) :-) JG

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread DJ Delorie
DJ's clarification aside, I would vote for top/bottom, with each of those symbolically being placed in the list. That is, for an 8-layer default: Top, Layer 2, Layer 3, ..., Layer 7, Bottom +1 You're +1'ing something we already have, and not what Kai was taking about. From the user's

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread John Griessen
On 09/18/2011 08:16 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: You're +1'ing something we already have, Whoops. On 09/18/2011 08:16 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: So... go get the release and test it OK. There's another unfinished/overdue project on my to do list... I will attempt to swap sleep/insomnia for executing

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: From the user's point of view, we use top/bottom [hopefully] consistently. There are at least three places in the GTK-GUI that still expose solder/component: a) The first item on the left in the status line, which gives a hint on the side the canvas shows. (patch

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread John Griessen
On 09/18/2011 09:01 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: This patch replaces component and solder in the leftmost item of the status line of the GTK HID with top and bottom. Thanks for work to improve the GUI Kai-Martin. JG ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: solder/component -- top/bottom ?

2011-09-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: b) The names of the copper groups in File - Preferences - Groups c) The help text in File - Preferences - Info patch atttached for the preference dialog ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak, Email: k...@familieknaak.de

gEDA-user: gEDA user list in transition

2011-09-18 Thread Ales Hvezda
Hello All, After many years (10+) of hosting the user mailing list at SEUL, the time has come for the user list to find a new home. DJ has graciously volunteered to host two new gEDA mailing lists on his server: 1) A new list called: geda-help The geda-help mailing list is for people