Re: gEDA-user: windows and opengl

2011-09-18 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: provides accelerated drivers for windows. Wouldn't openGL just work in such an environment? GLEW is typically used: http://glew.sourceforge.net/ You can find an example of its usage in the Toped project:

Re: gEDA-user: help with pcb dsn plugin

2011-09-18 Thread Bob Paddock
Can the style conventions be found anywhere in a halfway comprehensive written form? http://astyle.sourceforge.net/ Better would be to write a AStyle configuration file, that matches the standard style of the code, that could then be applied to the code so all of it is completely

Re: gEDA-user: windows testers wanted

2011-09-15 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:13 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: We're trying to track down the zoom bug.  If you have access to a windows machine, please try this PCB snapshot:  ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/geda-windows/snapshots/pcb-20110915-dj.exe The key thing we're trying to find out

Re: gEDA-user: windows testers wanted

2011-09-15 Thread Bob Paddock
Did not notice any issues. Will try Win7 and XP SP3 when I get home. XP SP3 x32 under VirtualBox, and Win7 SP1 x64 on Toshiba Laptop, worked fine. All of my boxes are using the native English language settings. I have seen odd keyboard things happen with non-English keyboards. Any

Re: gEDA-user: windows testers wanted

2011-09-15 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Hannu Vuolasaho vuo...@msn.com wrote: Installer is 20110915-dj but I don't understand the differences in results. Under your control-panel what is Regions/Languages set for? ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: cygwin geda tools

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Paddock
I want to recommend gEDA to colleagues and online contacts, but unless I can point them to a one-click Windows download, gEDA won't be considered -- it'll surely be KiCad or (grimace) EAGLE. You didn't notice my posting last week about my nightly geda-for-windows builds?  Or that a big part

Re: gEDA-user: cygwin geda tools

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Paddock
nor does it handle the library paths correctly. Seems to work OK for me. I just downloaded the 20110913 snap shot. Fired up PCB. First thing I got was: Windows cannot open this file: ListLibraryContents.sh. Hardly the glowing introduction to a good Windows port. 'Cancel' that then go to

Re: gEDA-user: cygwin geda tools

2011-09-13 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: First thing I got was: I meant, if you open the library window, Aren't those two different issues? File - Preferences - Library - Add a library path then Restart program for changes to take effect. This is how it works

Re: gEDA-user: Used LPKF ProtoMat S62 PCB Router for sale

2011-09-11 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:12 PM, DROA droa.or...@gmail.com wrote: hi! im truly interest in this article... do you still have it? thanks for all the info. My secondary e-mail is: droa.or...@gmail.com. I don't know, I'll find out. It was not mine, it was someone I was doing work for at the

Re: gEDA-user: Electromagnetic bike

2011-09-09 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Rob Butts r.but...@gmail.com wrote:   I was just looking at that (the eddy current brake). Yes, what is   needed to build a bike with a braking action is a magnetic force   similar to pushing two magnets of the same pole towards each other. A   bike where the

Re: gEDA-user: why some skip KiCAD and gEDA

2011-09-08 Thread Bob Paddock
we should find textbooks to study on GUI design From page 540 of the wxBook, that is downloadable online for free. Actual URL's might need updated: Further Reading  Apple Human Interface Guidelines: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/ UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Bob Paddock
Thanks for setting up such a service, a well kept secret until now Its been discussed before. let's keep this one quite as not to waken the wild hoards of windoze users ;-) Should windoze users file bug reports in LP for these nightly windows snapshots too ? Bugs are bugs, they need

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-05 Thread Bob Paddock
Documenting them however is a big deal. Is there even a comprehensive list of plugins that are done at a single place? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Bob Paddock
Just for the record, I'm not sure what our moderation policy is. Are any of your posts being rejected by moderation? (If so - just what kind of emails are you sending? ;)). One of the things that changed when the list went moderated, is that I no longer see my own posts, so I really never know

Re: gEDA-user: Layers and Buried/Blind Vias in gEDA

2011-08-22 Thread Bob Paddock
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 01:30:57AM -0400, Gus Fantanas wrote: While following the discussion about layers, I wondered if the capability to handle buried/blind vias could be implemented in gEDA. This would require core

Re: gEDA-user: tragesym error - help please!

2011-08-13 Thread Bob Paddock
The cells in the csv-file has a comma s seperator. tragesym expects a tab as seperator. You should use save as txt and not save as csv. If the Tab is the separator, should that not be save as tsv? Tab-Separated-Value. Excel exports files as tsv.

Re: gEDA-user: Tag-Connect TC2030-MCP(NL) footprint, expert review

2011-08-12 Thread Bob Paddock
On another note, have any of you used spring-pin connectors for programming/debug connectors to save space and BOM cost?  I have been thinking about how I would design my own spring-pin programming We use Mill-Max 821/823 series to do AVR ISP program at work. I can get you the exact number

Re: gEDA-user: Power relay question

2011-07-29 Thread Bob Paddock
Even if I ran a 4000 right on the 12v, I wouldn't count on that 12v to be very clean if it has motors running off it.  Electrically braking a motor with an H-bridge can spike the power rails. And a pic + regulator (sot-26 + sot-323)... Fast transients will go through the typical regulator as

Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Paddock
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:28 PM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: I have had many boards manufactured but never had one also assembled. What are the costs to do this? Are there any (cheap) manufactures that also do pick and place? Do they buy the components for you or do you have to send

Re: gEDA-user: possible collaborators on PCB, gschem [Kicad (or another FOSS tool)]

2011-07-26 Thread Bob Paddock
[1] Notice I don't represent the whole of CERN in this, just a corridor of hackers with an attitude. Make a PCB HID that is a plug-in to ROOT, problem solved. :-) http://root.cern.ch/drupal/ I've actually thought doing of that a couple of times. Javier, would that actual be of any value?

Re: gEDA-user: Conformal coatings, PCA water-proofing

2011-06-12 Thread Bob Paddock
It is quite surprising that coating a PCA in silicone would not provide a water proof seal.  But based on what I have recently read, you are right that conformal coatings are permeable to water. It is a mater of how long it takes. What about potting the circuit rather than applying a

Re: gEDA-user: High voltage caps in small places

2011-06-11 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Ethan Swint wrote: I wonder what materials are available for soldermask and if they have higher moisture resistance? Maybe conformal coating fits your needs.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating A very

Re: gEDA-user: guile under minipack?

2011-06-04 Thread Bob Paddock
Anyone have an nsis script with which to package it all up? There are only ones for PCB and GerbV, in the win32 directories, that Dan put together. When I tried the PCB one the other day it was missing the license files, that I have tracked down now. As others have noted, gschem fails at

Re: gEDA-user: guile under minipack?

2011-06-04 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 2:06 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Status... I know your working on other issues, but figured it was better to keep the current minipack stuff in the same thread. Hmm. I was going to post the to many colors error I was getting with HEAD of PCB as of

Re: gEDA-user: guile under minipack?

2011-06-01 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:01 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Hmmm... what autoconf did your autoreconf use? # Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.66 for guile 1.8.7. build/guile-1.8.7-2/guile-1.8.7/configure:# Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.65 for guile 1.8.7.

Re: gEDA-user: guile under minipack?

2011-05-30 Thread Bob Paddock
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Has anyone successfully built guile 1.8.7 with the latest minipack? I just did a fresh checkout of minipack and am not even getting that far right now: pango: Build succeeded.

Re: gEDA-user: guile under minipack?

2011-05-30 Thread Bob Paddock
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Has anyone successfully built guile 1.8.7 with the latest minipack? guile: Build succeeded. That part worked fine with the minipack I just pulled.

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-21 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: My proposal to tackle many of the library related issues is the notion of packages. These would be data structures that can contain all information relevant to an entity us humans like to build electronics from.

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-16 Thread Bob Paddock
 Why not start with the existing tools and just rewrite the parts you're interested in? License? (and if you really want to get *that* involved in pcb layout tools, there *are* parts of pcb that could stand to be ripped out and replaced... ;) Might interfere with someones script running

Re: gEDA-user: One more viewer for gEDA data.

2011-05-14 Thread Bob Paddock
2011/5/14 Павел Таранов taranov.pa...@gmail.com:   Thank you all, for the warm words :)     I was not aware that HTML5 (canvas) already supports editing of     graphics     -- can you point me to a description and a minimal example, like     scribble-window?   No, just now SVG was not the

Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?

2011-05-10 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:18 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: If somebody requires GTK sources - let download them directly from http://gtk.org/ I used GTK etc. libs unmodified. Unfortunately, the GPL does not allow this.  If we're shipping GTK dlls, we must offer the GTK sources

Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?

2011-05-10 Thread Bob Paddock
How did you succeed to compile geda for windows? I've used 'minipack'. It builds those too, not just PCB. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?

2011-05-10 Thread Bob Paddock
http://pcb.gpleda.org/ 's download link does not contain GTK sources, sources of compilers or sources for the Windows operating system. Please read the GPL so you understand what needs to be included, and what doesn't.  The sources need NOT include anything that's a normal part of the OS,

Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?

2011-05-02 Thread Bob Paddock
Maybe these files will be helpful to somebody Thank you. Please tell me if these links do not work. I will try to upload files again. While the links did work, when the download was completed I found a new tab had appeared in Chrome, the browser I was using. The in-your-face pictures in that

gEDA-user: Origami Flex Circuits Take Shape at All Flex

2011-04-21 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:01 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I refuse to support non-flat layers :-) http://www.allflexinc.com/origamiflex.shtml Supported or not these things are worth taking a look at just for the strangeness if noting

Re: gEDA-user: Where is pcb-20100929 for Win32 ?

2011-04-13 Thread Bob Paddock
is mostly on my end (getting a build environment set up seems more problematic than I expected). Using the minipack build environment has been working for building the Windows version. If anyone wants to help make the process more robust, feel free :-) If the steps for creating the release

Re: gEDA-user: default pcb stackup change?

2011-04-10 Thread Bob Paddock
3. Rename outer layers to top/bottom, which seems to be what other   packages (specifically, eagle and kicad) use.  Component/solder   isn't as obvious with SMT. Sometimes the outer layers are called Primary and Secondary. Consider a board of memory chips. Some memories come in mirror image

gEDA-user: OT?: Altium (Protel) Relocates From Sydney Australia to Shanghai China

2011-04-09 Thread Bob Paddock
I know several people here use Altium and/or Protel, such as when the Day Job forces us to do so, anyway though you might find of interest that Altium has announced they are moving the company to Shanghai China. Former Altium employ David L. Jones of EEBlog http://www.eevblog.com/ confirms this:

Re: gEDA-user: PCB Netlist syntax

2011-04-05 Thread Bob Paddock
I created the netlist using gschem2pcb and then edited it using a text editor, Did the text editor change the end of line format? I've seen that error when editing the netlist with Windows Text Editors, or text editors that adapt. If you use EMACS on Windows make sure it is a unix format file

gEDA-user: Configuring PCB for out of source builds?

2011-04-03 Thread Bob Paddock
In the current build system for PCB is there a way to run ./configure that will handle out-of-source builds? I'm missing it if it is in there. I want to be able to build Windows, GTK and Lesstif versions of PCB out of the same source tree, without 'make clean' cycles all of the time.

Re: gEDA-user: US Distributor for Balloon Board

2011-03-28 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Patrick Doyle wpds...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, I'm looking for a US distributor for a Balloon Board (http://www.balloonboard.org/) or it's equivalent There is the Begal Board decedent Crane Board: http://designsomething.org/craneboard/ Might not have the

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-25 Thread Bob Paddock
(I've never seen a mobius flexboard design, but I bet someone has done it.) Well, sure they did: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/mobiuscircuit But apart from being the cool guy with mobius strip, it's IMHO not usable. Resistors formed in the shape of a Mobius have no

Re: gEDA-user: any place that fabs custom project boxes?

2011-02-18 Thread Bob Paddock
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:24 PM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: Let me re-iteraite what i am looking for. I'm looking for mid quantity production run, maybe 50-100. Also looking for a plastic enclosure with nothing fancy, just a box with cutouts for I/O ports. You could pick up a

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Vintage uP

2011-02-11 Thread Bob Paddock
most in ESD foam. Check the leads. Long term storage, years, in some ESD foam will actually eat away the leads. Been-there-done-that. :-( ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: transition of pcb internal units to metric (SI, mm)

2011-02-07 Thread Bob Paddock
Speaking of this, with floating point values... Floating Point gets you dynamic range, not precision Integers and Fixed Point get you precision, not dynamic range. There is also BCD representations in the precision category. ___ geda-user mailing

gEDA-user: New Column: From the CAD Library

2011-02-04 Thread Bob Paddock
New Column: From the CAD Library When creating a CAD library, there are dozens of things to consider that are often overlooked or not even considered that will directly affect the quality of part placement, via fanout, trace routing, post processing, fabrication, and assembly processes. This

Re: gEDA-user: Time tracking

2011-02-02 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Darryl Gibson n2d...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious what folks are using for time tracking and/or billing? Something that I just came across and am going to give a try: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/BufferTimer

Re: gEDA-user: Alternate Platforms

2011-01-30 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Perhaps I'm being short-sighted, but I don't see a great potential for serious EDA work on phone sized devices. Even if they get the screen-resolution high enough, the size is very small for design work, and the input

Re: gEDA-user: Alternate Platforms

2011-01-30 Thread Bob Paddock
Still - most places I went to do a repair, I'd want to take a laptop or at least a tablet. Getting out that remote without a computer seems like as well thought out as going to do said repair and forgetting to pack your soldering iron. Some places like Coal Mines (Been there, to many times),

Re: gEDA-user: Windows gEDA port

2011-01-26 Thread Bob Paddock
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Terrance Hutchinson reapersoftw...@gmail.com wrote:   What about MinGW-w64 support? It also has the MinGW-w32 compiler as   well.   I find that the MinGW-w64/w32 is a much better cross-compiler. Are you familiar with the TDM project?

Re: gEDA-user: Windows gEDA port

2011-01-25 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:33 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: You can cross-compile from Fedora to MinGW using only yum-installed packages.  Big win for me :-) I've build a mingw PCB just by ./configure --host=mingw... and it runs under Wine.  Er, I might have had some *.c patches in

Re: gEDA-user: Windows gEDA port

2011-01-25 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:24 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: The only problem I recall from minipack is that it wanted to download the pcb tarball, despite having the pcb sources right there, Use the minipack shell command, tips from Cesar that I've been using: ./mpk shell pcb cd

Re: gEDA-user: Windows gEDA port

2011-01-25 Thread Bob Paddock
Can't speak to that, as I've not run into that under Gentoo, Fedora's mingw is i686-pc-mingw32-gcc.  What does gentoo call it? Same thing. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Windows gEDA port

2011-01-25 Thread Bob Paddock
Better - if someone *else* does the windows release binaries, I'll be happier :-) Is it documented what needs done to make a release, step-by-step? In discussing this with Dan in the past he often had troubles with things like tracking down license files for the installer as one example etc.

gEDA-user: PCB House Philway Products burns to ground

2011-01-21 Thread Bob Paddock
Heads up if anyone here uses the board house Philway: At approximately 10:30PM on Wednesday night, Jan/19/2011 http://www.philway.com Philway Products Inc. of Ashland, Ohio burned to the ground http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-pictures-ashland-plant-fire-012011,0,904988.photogallery Fortunately no

gEDA-user: Where to PCB patchs get submitted now?

2011-01-16 Thread Bob Paddock
I wanted to submit a patch to PCB. Launchpad tells me to use the Source Forge tracker, which can't be found on Source Forge anymore: Error - The Tracker has been disabled for this group Seems we have a case of circular instructions between the two sites right now. http://pcb.gpleda.org/ -

Re: gEDA-user: Where to PCB patchs get submitted now?

2011-01-16 Thread Bob Paddock
https://bugs.launchpad.net/pcb/+filebug Which does not report as you quoted below. It is possible someone has fixed before I looked though. Looks like it. You had to submit a summary and hit 'next' to get that message. The message is now different: pcb bug reporting guidelines: You can

Re: gEDA-user: Where to PCB patchs get submitted now?

2011-01-16 Thread Bob Paddock
Ok, I found the quote - it was in our tips for filing bugs. (gEDA and PCB) Doh. I thought I had sifted through all the instances of  sourceforge in the geda-wiki. It was on Launchpad actually. Is there a page on the wiki about how to use git specific to gEDA/PCB, Like how to format patches

Re: gEDA-user: Rant about Make Inv Text Vis

2011-01-15 Thread Bob Paddock
Lets kill it with fire. One use-case would be to quickly inspect all of these attributes. It makes a difference wether you see attributes in a seperate sheet vs. you see them right next to each symbol. I don't know if it applies to the feature you are discussing or not, but I have a use case

Re: gEDA-user: FYI [Fwd: [Balloon] Balloon 4]

2011-01-15 Thread Bob Paddock
a) They have Altium b) They have bits in Altium already (footprints etc..) - momentum. c) They need an auto-router which can handle really complex stuff. Hun? Three of us at work have spent weeks trying to get Altium's autorouter to do much at all, and do it correctly when it does, and

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA flow for chip design?

2011-01-15 Thread Bob Paddock
Any suggestions? There is also Toped: http://code.google.com/p/toped/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Christmas wishlist

2010-12-31 Thread Bob Paddock
This is a DRC issue. The rules should allow any net to connect to no-net copper. No need to restructure the way pcb handles connectivity. If different nets connect to the same no-net copper there is a short between nets. Consider a large item like you might solder a RFI shield to, that covers

Re: gEDA-user: Working on a tiny schematics editor

2010-12-26 Thread Bob Paddock
I would be interested how many people can run the demo script (peted.rb) from the top of the  above page. Are the needed rcairo bindings shipped with distributions like Ubuntu? If not, then it may be easier for people to install the whole gEDA package than to get such a short ruby script

Re: gEDA-user: Working on a tiny schematics editor

2010-12-26 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 11:30 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: I would be interested how many people can run the demo script (peted.rb) from the top of the  above page. Are the needed rcairo bindings shipped

Re: gEDA-user: Working on a tiny schematics editor

2010-12-26 Thread Bob Paddock
Or try /usr/share/doc/ruby-gtk2-0.19.4/sample/misc/cairo-pong.rb Should fail too, with the same message as my script. All related to the missing rb_cairo.h -- some Gentoo people seem to think that it is obsolete, but it seems to be needed on some boxes.

Re: gEDA-user: Working on a tiny schematics editor

2010-12-26 Thread Bob Paddock
I did not recall what I'd installed, and it looks like no specific profile is set, which might be the problem in itself: Interesting. For me no-multilib is marked with the star Yes, the selected profile is indicated with star. and I do not really like to change it. Me either, however I

Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values…

2010-12-26 Thread Bob Paddock
Flexibility and specific applicability are not mutually exclusive, and for the very reasons you are citing here. True, but what makes this possible? It's *avoiding* specificity in the foundations. I find that statement odd. If the foundation is not well specified then it is not a

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?

2010-12-24 Thread Bob Paddock
Not even login with a fake name necessary. Sounds like a new Spam portal. That we don't need. -- http://blog.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?

2010-12-24 Thread Bob Paddock
www.mallardproject.org documents this, http://projectmallard.org/ I believe is the correct link. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?

2010-12-24 Thread Bob Paddock
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 11:27 AM, kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Bob Paddock wrote: Not even login with a fake name necessary. Sounds like a new Spam portal.  That we don't need. Spam prevention by human watchdogs is part of the package. How will a human from the Book project

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Bob Paddock
Did you try to build/test all the demos that come with wxWindows - did you try to build another app, that uses it? - please report. My personal impression when I went for a widget tool kit was, that it's very complicated and broken. I've been using wxWidgets for over ten years now. You'll

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Bob Paddock
Parentheses around a constant are nonsense - there is nothing a plain number could evaluate to in the preprocessor than itself (unless you #define 1e20 (foo * i++)), so it has the highest precedence by itself. (couldn't you even #define (1e20) foo*i++  ?;-) Not knowing how the #define

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-13 Thread Bob Paddock
If you switch to gEDA, will you want a native windows build?  Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. I've been poking at 'the perfect windows version' for some time, will give up on that for now. I think I just make basic canvas and figure how to to get the basic

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-13 Thread Bob Paddock
It won't be perfect until its compilable by VStudio IDE and debuggable inside it as such. As long as GCC is involved in any equation of building software for Windows, no developer (who is actually paid to develop Windows software) is going to even touch it. I look forward to trying your LLVM

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread Bob Paddock
I don't think a few 'maintenance nightmares' or matching '{' problems are good reasons for giving up and just doing nothing instead. You don't have to like the macros and so on to fix bugs, and IMO just nutting up and dealing with the matching '{' issues Not using the real braces make style

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-03 Thread Bob Paddock
Pleasant Experience means you get the board done sooner, which is a Good Thing. Generally, no. People love to kill time when the experience is pleasant. That's why low-productivity fritterware sells so well. But real productivity requires thought and study, something many people try hard

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Bob Paddock
Rick, I got line breaks. . On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Just thought I'd write some of this down and put it out there. I've spent some time recently thinking way into the future about the GUI / usability for an advanced PCB editing program. Peter,

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: On Thursday 02 December 2010 21:13:47 Bob Paddock wrote: Peter, while all of this sounds great, could we fix the collective problems that we have now first? Like what, specifically? The 446 bugs in the tracker

Re: gEDA-user: mirrored footprint

2010-11-26 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: Hi. I just hit a legitimate use case for mirrored footprints: Memory chips frequently come in mirrored/not-mirrored versions, needing mirrored foot prints to make high density memory cards. --

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Gilbert Cell

2010-11-10 Thread Bob Paddock
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:40 PM, gene glick carzr...@optonline.net wrote: Has anyone worked with Gilbert Cells?  I'm having a lot of trouble with one from ON Semi, MC1496, formerly Motorola's part, I think. As Gilbert works for Analog Devices, I'd poke around there for ideas:

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA interview with DJ at DevCon

2010-10-31 Thread Bob Paddock
Perhaps, but its been on my To Do list for a long time to do a wxWidgets port of PCB. Why are so few people interested in FLTK? My reason is that I had to chose a tool kit that I could use for my day job making commercial software. I don't like FLTK's license in that context. While a

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA interview with DJ at DevCon

2010-10-28 Thread Bob Paddock
KiCad is KiCad of course. Sadly, 3D view crashes when launched here, some kind of X11 / GLX / GL problem. I was trying to debug it and fix it for them (in the spirit of cooperation), but it looks like it might be some nasty WxWidgets internal bug - and I'm not familiar with Wx at all. I've

Re: gEDA-user: KiCad's polygon library

2010-10-28 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Speaking of KiCad (and its source), I noticed they've found a GPL polygon boolean operations library which I'd not come across before. Have you looked at the new one in Boost 1.4.4?

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA interview with DJ at DevCon

2010-10-28 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 13:58 -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: KiCad is KiCad of course. Sadly, 3D view crashes when launched here, some kind of X11 / GLX / GL problem. I was trying to debug it and fix it for them (in the spirit

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA interview with DJ at DevCon

2010-10-28 Thread Bob Paddock
Does this count... http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/WxGLCanvas Proably not. This would be the best place: http://docs.wxwidgets.org/trunk/page_samples.html#page_samples_opengl Bugs found in trunk get a lot more attention. And it dies a horrible death with the same error. (wxFrame *) NULL doesn't

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA interview with DJ at DevCon

2010-10-28 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: It was a slight shame the video started with an advert clip showing Altium's 3D view in action. Dave works for Altium :-) That explains something that I did not understand at Devcon. Dave kept trying to bring up a picture

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-09 Thread Bob Paddock
Then Armin can have his long long, I can have my doubles, some can have their int64_t, and most can have their simple int. Sounds like a support nightmare in the making. uint_fast32_t http://www.dinkumware.com/manuals/?manual=compleatpage=stdint.html#uint_fast32_t With a compiler that

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-09 Thread Bob Paddock
Once you get past the 52 digits in an IEEE-754 double How would such numbers be represented in a file? One of gEDA/PCB's strengths is they are easy to script. Scripting (u)ints seems a lot easier. -- http://blog.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread Bob Paddock
Personally, I can't imagine a PCB larger than 2 meters much less 4 meters.  Or is the possibility of uses other than PCB design being considered here? Someone once asked about doing a road bill-board sized sign. ___ geda-user mailing list

gEDA-user: Concerns in Cleaning Under Low Profile Components at SMTAI 2010

2010-09-29 Thread Bob Paddock
Anyone here going to this event?: http://www.globalsmt.net/smt/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=11580Itemid=396 See Kyzen’s Rich Brooks Discuss Concerns in Cleaning Under Low Profile Components at SMTAI 2010 SMTA International, scheduled to take place October 25-28, 2010 at the Walt

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Paddock
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote:  They [Assembly houses] seem to be willing to work with whatever they are sent and will only give feedback when something causes real trouble for them. You have to ask, unfortunately. When you send a new project in to a

Re: gEDA-user: foreign graphics overlay

2010-09-26 Thread Bob Paddock
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Armin Faltl armin.fa...@aon.at wrote: Dreaming about mechanical cad features in pcb and how one best works to mechanical constrains on a pcb, knowing the latest and greates pcb use OpenGL and transparency anyway, http://code.google.com/p/toped/ is an IC Layout

Re: gEDA-user: foreign graphics overlay

2010-09-26 Thread Bob Paddock
There are screen shots two in Chitlesh's page on fedora.org:  http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/gallery.html Thank you. What does the tope GUI differently to Peter Cliftons semi forked version of pcb? I've not run Peter's version so can't really comment. I'm all to slowly poking at a

Re: gEDA-user: foreign graphics overlay

2010-09-26 Thread Bob Paddock
Not being part of the distribution A well documented plug in should become part of the distribution. Undocumented code of any kind, should not. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Portable gEDA for Windows

2010-09-19 Thread Bob Paddock
The GPL is easy to comply with, but it's not always obvious how that's done. Just so I'm clear myself here, if I cross compile using Cygwin or MinW32 as far as GPL2 section 3 is concerned: However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally

Re: gEDA-user: Portable gEDA for Windows

2010-09-19 Thread Bob Paddock
When the FSF checks for violations ( http://www.fsf.org/licensing/compliance ), they check the pages where software is distributed, and they also check the surrounding web pages (to make sure that the source isn't distributed elsewhere on the site, and there's no written offer).   Why would

Re: gEDA-user: next PCB release - 1.99za vs 4.0

2010-09-12 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM, DJ Delorie [1...@delorie.com wrote: The top/bottom magic are needed to map footprints on import Don't over look buried components. Becoming more common. I think it would be better to just have layers, that you assign a function to, rather

Re: gEDA-user: next PCB release - 1.99za vs 4.0

2010-09-12 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:55 AM, DJ Delorie [1...@delorie.com wrote: I suspect that in the main GUI you'd get a simplified set of options, like add layers or remove layers to switch from, say, 2-layer PCBs to 4-layer PCBs, etc. In Protel there is such a dialog.

Re: gEDA-user: next PCB release - 1.99za vs 4.0

2010-09-12 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Jonathon Schrader jlsch...@jlschrad.net wrote:  That is, a footprint (such as the battery mount mentioned previously) with a requirement not to place any parts between the tabs, but traces are fine? It would be good to be able to say place no component

Re: gEDA-user: next PCB release - 1.99za vs 4.0

2010-09-12 Thread Bob Paddock
Maybe you could add an attribute to an element defining the height. Something like: Attribute (element_height=, 5 mm) That would be required to do 3D also. There would also need to be a clearance space above the actual part thickness as well. Think about boards that are flexing/vibrating.

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