gEDA-user: EDIF: Found some ancient books. Any use to you?

2010-11-12 Thread Dave N6NZ
I discovered a box of books that never got unpacked after the last rearrangement of my home office. Among these, I found several EDIF-related books. Since I long ago stopped giving a rat's rear end about EDIF, I offer them to the group. I'm guessing I could stuff them into a USPS flat-rate

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 11, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Stefan Salewski wrote: -- may long default to 64 bit on 64 bit systems A well, that depends on the programming model that the system developers chose. 64 bit systems have been done two ways: LP64 or ILP64, that is longs and pointers are 64, ints are

Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA

2010-10-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open

Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA

2010-10-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Vermeer wrote: What can we do to gEDA to make it more accessible to these folks? IMHO, the OP is on the right track. It will take less energy and time to simply fork the designs and push them out to a public repo than to lobby with the originators. I

Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA

2010-10-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
KiCAD -- I haven't tried it myself, so I don't know much about it's capabilities. -dave On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Rick Collins wrote: I assume one is gEDA... what is the other? Rick At 01:56 AM 10/9/2010, you wrote: Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use

Re: gEDA-user: other FOSS layout tools

2010-10-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 9, 2010, at 6:44 PM, John Griessen wrote: On 10/09/2010 08:14 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: KiCAD -- I haven't tried it myself, so I don't know much about it's capabilities. When I first looked at it a couple of years ago it was a small group, but now it seems to have critical mass

gEDA-user: pcb for kitchens (was: Re: pcb crooked traces)

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:31:10 -0400 Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: Personally, I can't imagine a PCB larger than 2 meters much less 4 meters. Or is the possibility of uses other than PCB design being considered here? I

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:31:10 -0400 Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: Personally, I can't imagine a PCB larger than 2 meters much less 4 meters. Or is the possibility of uses other than PCB design being considered here? FYI --

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Andrew Miner wrote: For flexible PCBs which are made on roll to roll machinery, Good point, I forgot that a few months ago I saw some of these at a show. The vendor said you could do printed circuits 8 inches wide by arbitrarily long. Nice flex boards, too.

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote: I couldn't say what the standard panel sizes are in the industry, but I could make an effort to find out. FWIW, A quick poll of my friends indicates that 18x24 inches seems to be a standard panel size, but 48 x 22 inch boards used

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 22:29 +0800, Steven Michalske wrote: I cannot get rid of the jagged diagonal lines on my design. There's lots of them. The picture shows a couple of examples. I've tried different grid sizes, line widths, but

gEDA-user: physicists (Re: new footprint guidelines)

2010-10-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
I think a lot of people confuse the difference between a theoretical physicist and an experimental physicist. A theoretical uses a whiteboard and marker. He/She writes a paper. An experimental physicist reads the paper and goes -- Oh, really?. He/She constructs experimental apparatus using

Re: gEDA-user: GPLv3 question

2010-10-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: You don't need to deliver *any* source code unless it is requested by the user. In the case of an embedded product, with GPLv3, the *only* way to not include the source is to include the written offer, which opens you up for a DDNS. You can

Re: gEDA-user: GPLv3 question

2010-10-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Geoff Swan wrote: So just to clarify - if you distribute an embedded device that runs a GPLv3 binary; to comply with the GPLv3 you must not only provide the source, but also a hardware-programmer/uploader? I suppose in most cases this isn't necessarily a huge

Re: gEDA-user: kicad/gerbview vs. pcb/gerbv: interpretation of Circular Interpolation

2010-09-01 Thread Dave N6NZ
Yeah. I can't imagine a modern photo plotter having trouble with it. In CNC code, doing a circle cut in arc segments is considered 'good practice' by some, since a machine controller will only pause between lines of G-code. If a circle is done as quadrants, then if something goes wacky you

Re: gEDA-user: kicad/gerbview vs. pcb/gerbv: interpretation of Circular Interpolation

2010-08-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:32 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: That all depends on what the software says the difference is. I can see those being very different things. One is an arc that is less than half a circle and the other an arc that is more than half a circle. But if the software

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf and PCB on OS X

2010-08-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:16 PM, John Doty wrote: The only real problem with Fink is that it gets itself tied in knots occasionally. Every couple of years, I have to rm -rf /sw and reinstall the whole thing. The only *other* problem with Fink is that is doesn't always play well with

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

2010-08-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:17 AM, John Griessen wrote: certain 3D entities are *not* documented, they are binary blobs and you can only get the spec by paying for a license from Autocad and signing an NDA. So no open source dxf library will ever be able to handle all of dxf. My immediate

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

2010-08-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:21 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: I've been watching FOSS 3D CAD for a while, and until FreeCAD came along the outlook was pretty depressing. The FreeCAD guys, however, are making progress a bullet

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

2010-08-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:28 PM, John Griessen wrote; What's a good reference about DXF? Arghhh... I've spent a bit of time trying to read .dxf correctly. My first shot was for reading .dxf to drive a simple laser cutter that used bastardized HP/GL. I did an ad hoc parser in C after reading

Re: gEDA-user: Gschem/PCB: how to deal with special pins pads?

2010-07-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 21, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Richard Rasker wrote: Hello, I'm a happy GSchem + PCB user for quite a few years now, but I'm still puzzled about one aspect of defining symbols and footprints, and that is special pins and pads. With special I mean the following types of pins/pads: -

Re: gEDA-user: Gschem/PCB: how to deal with special pins pads?

2010-07-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 21, 2010, at 1:35 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: - So-called don't care pins and pads, e.g. mounting pads for SMD connectors. I name them M1 through M4 for example, and if you want to connect them to something, yeah, they need to be in the netlist. I'm not sure if DRC ignores them if

Re: gEDA-user: dxf again

2010-07-16 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 16, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: Dave N6NZ wrote: But my application is a little different. I want to get a DXF file that I can run through a CAM package, in particular the paste layer, which isn't a 'real' layer, unfortunately -- it is synthesized in the output HID as I

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
there is one. Yet, a license that says only that you must publish design data in publicly documented file format would allow such a design. That is my point. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:47 PM, timecop wrote: Example: FPGA's. Verilog

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:47 AM, asom...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote: And my usual questions: http://lwn.net/Articles/396011

Re: gEDA-user: dxf again

2010-07-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Mark Rages wrote: Hi all, Having reached the limits of pcb's feeble editor, I want to take some traces on a pcb through a pcb-???-dxf-qcad-dxf-dxftopcb-pcb cycle. I had already written the dxftopcb tool. (http://vivara.net/software/dxftopcb) when I

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote: And my usual questions: http://lwn.net/Articles/396011/ I've had some part in this. Whether or not proprietary design files can be compatible with open source hardware has been an

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:47 PM, timecop wrote: Example: FPGA's. Verilog source isn't going to help if the FPGA fitter tool proprietary OK. Please name a vendor for FPGA hardware + toolchain that fits into this absolutely ridiculous requirement. I don't understand your question. Can you

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: 3) There is consensus, that the current library is in poor shape. But there are diverging opinions how a good default library should look like. And I doubt there will ever be a one size fits all library. The flexibility of the

Re: gEDA-user: How do I reference a shell variable from guile script?

2010-04-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 8, 2010, at 3:31 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:21:53 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: No amount of googling brought up a simple syntax example like that. I added a note in the wiki. Great! The on-line guile documentation that I found via google was pretty hard for me

gEDA-user: hierarchy and net attributes.

2010-04-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
So as I understand the current situation in gschem/gnetlist, there is no way to get a global net in a hierarchical design other than to set: (hierarchy-netattrib-mangle disabled) in gnetlistrc. However, now all net attributes will become global nets. So, if one uses off-page connector

Re: gEDA-user: hierarchy and net attributes.

2010-04-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: So as I understand the current situation in gschem/gnetlist, there is no way to get a global net in a hierarchical design other than to set: (hierarchy-netattrib-mangle disabled) in gnetlistrc. However, now all net attributes will become

Re: gEDA-user: How do I change initial window size on gschem and pcb?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 7, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 14:23 +0800, Atommann wrote: Hi, 2010/4/7 Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net: This may be an X-windows-on-Mac question, not a gEDA question, but... When gschem or pcb open on my macbook, the window is too tall, and the resize

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 13:43 +0900, timecop wrote: I would never trust pre-made symbols for any project, it takes very Similar for me, and I do not trust my own symbols also! True enough. The only time I have been badly burned is when

gEDA-user: How do I reference a shell variable from guile script?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
Suppose I want to build a path like: $HOME/path/gedasymbols to pick up component libraries, without unrolling $HOME into a hard path in a (define..) -- how do I get guile to pick up the value of $HOME from the shell, and then get it pasted into the rest of the stuff? I'm aiming for: (define

Re: gEDA-user: How do I reference a shell variable from guile script?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:05 AM, John Doty wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote: Suppose I want to build a path like: $HOME/path/gedasymbols to pick up component libraries, without unrolling $HOME into a hard path in a (define..) -- how do I get guile to pick up the value

gEDA-user: symbol edit-translate working strangely

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
I've created some symbols with non-zero width outlines using line elements of width 40. edit-translate(0) seems to get confused, and offsets the symbol so the pins don't line up on 100 unit grid. edit-translate with independent x,y values seems to by broken. How can I fix this, short of

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Rages wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Anthony Shanks yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't bother with any kind of scripted footprint generator as I wanted to know exactly what the file format was for footprints. Once I discovered how easy it was I felt

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Levente Kovacs wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:41:37 -0700 Anthony Shanks yamazakir2-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: In my opinion it's worth spending an hour going over the footprint file format and just making your footprints in an ASCII editor.

gEDA-user: How do I change initial window size on gschem and pcb?

2010-04-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
This may be an X-windows-on-Mac question, not a gEDA question, but... When gschem or pcb open on my macbook, the window is too tall, and the resize grabber is off the screen on the bottom and I can't reach it to resize the window. Normally, not an issue since I immediately move the window over

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA logo title block, footprint

2010-04-05 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: Dave N6NZ wrote: I'm getting started on an open-hardware project using gEDA, and did a couple of gEDA logo items. 1. logo'ed title block symbol. This is pretty much a clone of the standard title-B symbol, with these tweaks

gEDA-user: gEDA logo title block, footprint

2010-04-04 Thread Dave N6NZ
I'm getting started on an open-hardware project using gEDA, and did a couple of gEDA logo items. 1. logo'ed title block symbol. This is pretty much a clone of the standard title-B symbol, with these tweaks in the title block: * sub-block for copyright * sub-block for license (reference, not

gEDA-user: Are multiple pinlabels on a symbol pin OK?

2010-04-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
Normally when I construct a symbol for a microcontroller or such part where the I/O pins can have multiple functions, I like to include the alternate functions in the pin label, like this example from an Atmel part: pinlabel=PE2 (XTAL2/ADC0/PCINT26) But... I've run into a part where the list

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 31, 2010, at 9:06 AM, John Griessen wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 15:41 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: I want to follow the git -- but for now on the release branch (if there is one??) not the dev head. Use the stable-1.6 branch in that case. Individual releases

gEDA-user: gafrc/gschemrc ordering issue?

2010-03-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
I am trying to get gschem to come up with my personal title block. Seems like it should be easy. But... Here is an rc file in the project directory: (component-library /Users/dave/gitrepos/gedalib/tbsymbol2) (define default-titleblock tbtitle-B) If that file is named gafrc, the 'define

gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-30 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hi, I'm about to attempt building gEDA/gaf on a Mac. My plan is to use the git repo. Two questions: 1. Is there a branch or tag or such for the latest release? I'd like to track that and not follow the development head for now. 2. Any special Mac build tricks I should know about? I use

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-30 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Steven Michalske wrote: On Mar 30, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: Hi, I'm about to attempt building gEDA/gaf on a Mac. My plan is to use the git repo. Two questions: 1. Is there a branch or tag or such for the latest release? I'd like to track

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-30 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 15:41 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: I want to follow the git -- but for now on the release branch (if there is one??) not the dev head. Use the stable-1.6 branch in that case. Individual releases are tagged as well. Very

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-10 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:24 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: Questions though.. What to do with a manually defined paste layer if the user fiddles with the size of the copper pad / solder mask? (Assuming that eventually becomes more flexible to edit). ? I don't think I understand the question. Are

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
Well, for one thing, dxflib is rock solid, and pstoedit was broken in many ways the last time I tried to use it. -dave On Mar 9, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: Doesn't pstoedit already do this, too? http://www.pstoedit.net/ Are there advantages to these custom versions?

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 18:27 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: pstoedit converts postscript to various formats. So I suppose you could try pcb export to postscript and then pstoedit to produce dxf. That said, there are always issues with file

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 9, 2010, at 4:01 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: is that true? Is it simply generated on the fly off the pad information during gerber export? That's true. Just in case anyone is confused by the tight snippage: It is true that there is no real paste layer, it is generated on the fly off

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for my first fab shop.

2010-03-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
If this is your first board, I'd go with a shop that is reasonably fast and known for quality work. Fast because: * this is your first board, and you are excited to have it. * this is your first board, and now is the time to make mistakes quickly. Quality work because: * this is your first

Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot

2010-02-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 27, 2010, at 8:51 AM, John Luciani wrote: John hasn't had time to finish :( So John, post a to-do list and your check-in check-list. If several of us volunteer to do a symbol or three we should be able to push it over the hump by a reasonable deadline Symbols by the Solstice

Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?

2010-02-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: Someone with a Mac might like to try building gEDA and PCB with a native version of GTK? OK, I'll play dumb. I recently built PCB from git after naively using macports to make all the dependancies go away. How is that different from what I

Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?

2010-02-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Charles Lepple wrote: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net wrote: On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: Someone with a Mac might like to try building gEDA and PCB with a native version of GTK? OK, I'll play dumb. I recently

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important features, much of the basic infrastructure is already up and

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, that's all. FWIW QCad has 3 pimary arc creation modes: 1. click1 sets

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:57:20 -0800 Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net wrote: On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to create them. Someone needs to come up

gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hi, Is there any automated Eagle to gEDA conversion path? (He says hopefully, but knowing it's highly unlikely.) -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:08 PM, timecop wrote: Diptrace has a pair of ulp scripts to convert eagle project to ascii schematic and pcb. OK, although I don't know what either Diptrace or ulp are. Sounds like a good place to start, though. I'm wondering how the library issue would be handled.

Re: gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
. That makes a lot of sense, even when the file format *is* well documented. The question is then, how much munging does it take to transmute diptrace ascii exchange format into gEDA stuff. -dave On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net wrote: On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:08 PM, timecop

Re: gEDA-user: Is it possible to do square holes in PCB?

2010-02-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Mark Rages wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Anthony Shanks yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: Some parts have mounting brackets that are square, not round. Yes I know I can make a equivalent circlular hole that would fit but it wastes a lot of space doing that

Re: gEDA-user: Problem With Macports Install

2010-02-16 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Chris Maness wrote: Would I just download the source myself and compile? Thanks, Chris I recently built pcb from the git repo without issues on 10.6.2. There were a number of dependencies that I had to resolve first -- IIRC they were all

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity (was: Taking advantage of internally connected pins)

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:33 AM, timecop wrote: At the very least, it seems that there should be a way to specify that any pin with the same number satisfies the connection. fairly ridiculous assumption especially with ICs, many of which specifically say something like all GND/VCC pads must

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:47:19 -0500 Ethan Swint eswint.r...@verizon.net wrote: On 02/03/2010 03:33 AM, timecop wrote: At the very least, it seems that there should be a way to specify that any pin with the same number satisfies the

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity (was: Taking advantage of internally connected pins)

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: The danger comes if you don't populate the switch. This then causes break in the board connectivity. True enough. But population options are an orthogonal conceptual axis. Not populating the microcontroller causes a loss of functionality,

gEDA-user: close tracks leaving copper remnant in polygon

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
I've got a pcb where close tracks through polygons are leaving thin shards of copper between tracks. These are 8 mil tracks on a 10 mil grid. Seems to me these have always been cleared out in the past because they are below minimum copper size, but then again, I usually close space my tracks

Re: gEDA-user: close tracks leaving copper remnant in polygon

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: I've got a pcb where close tracks through polygons are leaving thin shards of copper between tracks. These are 8 mil tracks on a 10 mil grid. Seems to me these have always been cleared out in the past because they are below minimum copper

Re: gEDA-user: new components

2010-02-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
I find it best(*) in the long run to crank out my own symbols. For things like the PIC, I use a modified version of DJ's djboxsym. I also have a couple of little generator scripts for other parts. -dave * By best, I mean best way to get symbols that match my personal taste. On Feb 2,

Re: gEDA-user: Confusion about symbol file and footprint file

2010-02-01 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Luke wrote: My questions are: 1) What is needed to associate a symbol to a footprint when you drawing the schematic in gschem? Is it a filename? set footprint attribute to the name of the file foo.fp If so, where does that file need to be located? I set

Re: gEDA-user: Pin pads on only one side

2010-01-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:10:28 +, Phil Frost wrote: Is there some way to instruct PCB to put a copper pad for through-hole pins only on the bottom of the board? No. This is an aspect of the long standing feature request user

Re: gEDA-user: Taking advantage of internally connected pins

2010-01-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 30, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: I need to make a key matrix. I'm considering selecting a switch which has 4 leads (two leads per internal net): o--+--o ' / | o--+--o This appears to be a boon for the grid-style routing I need for the switch matrix.

Re: gEDA-user: Solder Mask Layer

2010-01-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:46 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: I've done some hacks that look for layers named cmask or paste and just appends those to the gerbers, but nothing that can be committed. For those of us less familiar with the code, what is the internal design of pcb that forces you to do

Re: gEDA-user: Solder Mask Layer

2010-01-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:20 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: One of the LF tasks LF? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Bert Timmerman wrote: FWIW, There lives a dxf exporter for pcb in a not yet finished state at: http://github.com/bert/pcb-dxf-hid Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. -dave ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:40 PM, d...@umich.edu wrote: snip Dave, I have been following the RepRap project with interest. A 3D printer that anyone can make is a very cool scratch to itch. I am fascinated by the artwork of the sculpter, Bathsheba Grossman. She really shows what is

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-24 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:15 AM, John Doty wrote: CO2 is way out in the IR. I guess the way to use it is to vaporize the resist. Note that black in the visible may not be black at the IR wavelength in question, and vice-versa Good point... I should have remembered that because I was part

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-23 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 23, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: snip Management saw this: http://www.epiloglaser.com/ at CES and is thinking of spending money (a rare event) on one of them. There actually is a lot of industrial related stuff at the consumer show. I've used modern Epilog machines, and

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-23 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: We have an Epilog. Low-power lasers of this type cannot cut (or even etch) copper foil, nor can they cut FR4. You can potentially use it to blast away an etch-resist layer, however; I've seen several examples of this. Here is one:

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:52 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: The polygon code is fully generic. It can do what you describe (in fact, it does, it just probably doesn't output in the format you want). Hmmm well, point me at the code, and I'll have a look at seeing what it would take to sew in

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: snip I believe gerbv is the right place for dxf export, since that creates a tool that works with any gerber file from any tool. The overall tool flow is more logical that way. Keep it modular enough, and it could live in PCB as well..

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
be a good idea. If the starting point is a .ps file, then both programs could use the same backend. The postscript file is a kludgy intermediate step that needs to be eradicated in the 'clean' solution. -dave n6nz ___ geda-user mailing list geda

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-20 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:56:25PM -0500, d...@umich.edu wrote: I just created a thread on cnczone.com, which I want to bring to your attention. I titled it, Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit: I have been

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-20 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 09:20:34PM -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: I have been thinking about how to do improved isolation routing. How do you differentiate between pads that must be a certain shape

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-19 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hmmm... interesting. I gave your post a quick skim, and will have to go back to read it in detail when I have more time. A while back I created a flow to convert the paste layer to laser cutter code for the creation of solder paste stencils. My path was: 1. print .ps from pcb 2. pstoedit to

Re: gEDA-user: Slots, Swaps and BSDL files

2010-01-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:57 AM, John Eaton wrote: Pinlabel is for humans, and for hierarchy. Pinseq is a unique numerical identifier for the pin, independent of the footprint if any (not all symbols correspond to parts with footprints). So slotting lets the PCB designer exchange one 2

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2010-01-05 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 5, 2010, at 9:31 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: Can't wait to have that one implemented as it's the one point i tripped over with about every software i tried. Just to be clear - by writing down my ideas, I do not mean to imply that I (or anyone else) will actually implement them. But

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 28, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: Such repairs would be pretty much impossible without the full component- and gate-level schematics I have for these machines, of which this is an example of one page: http://www.neurotica.com/misc/kb11c-117.png You misunderstand

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 9:16 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: On the pin mapping subject I miss an example of the power pins of a rail-to-rail opamp, just to nail these troublemakers down as well (sometimes I get Vss hitched to ground instead of the negative voltage rail). Power pins are not special in

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 2:08 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: User now needs to somehow specify that U01 GND is connected to analog ground, U01 V+ and V- to analog power rails. U01 GND, U02 GND, U03 GND and U04 GND are connected to digital ground. U02 VCC is connected to 5V, U03 VCC3v3 is connected to

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:00 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Actually this is starting to sound like embedding a gattrib grid on a sheet some place. Can gattrib map pins to nets already? Well, not that I know of. But having a grid display of row-organized data that captures interesting stuff

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:12 PM, gene glick wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: I'm not exactly sure what's best here, but I know it doesn't belong in the *gate*. My idea is to have a table object that shows up in the schematic, like in a corner or something, that lists all the power pins and what

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:00 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Actually this is starting to sound like embedding a gattrib grid on a sheet some place. Can gattrib map pins to nets already? Well, not that I know of. But having a grid display

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
On component databases: Not sure that I have a lot to add, except that when I read it I was looking specifically for the proposed database hookup and found the right answer :) I already have a SQL database for parts, so I'd like to be able to write a quick lib.so in C that hooks up to gschem

Re: gEDA-user: OT: large (29 inch) boards?

2009-12-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:08 PM, phil wrote: I'm trying to find a shop that will make 29 long boards. They are simple 1/16 two layer boards and will have card edge connectors. Is there a known vendor for this type of work I suspect any of them can do any board that fits in a panel, and the

Re: gEDA-user: Reducing the amount of jumpers

2009-11-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
Link wrote: I've designed a circuit that I'm planning to home-fab, and as such, I've had to design my board using only a single layer. After about a week or so of puzzling, I've managed to route it. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll need a metric craptonne of jumper wire, and I was hoping

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-19 Thread Dave N6NZ
Bill Gatliff wrote: Now I'm beginning to see the problems with slotting and symbols the way we're doing them now: they unnecessarily tie the concept of a symbol to the concept of a component, because the pin numbers that we currently record in our symbols are also the pin numbers that the

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-17 Thread Dave N6NZ
My approach would be to use a NAND symbol, a power symbol, and slotting. I'm curious as to why you found slotting problematic? It's no more or less obtuse than the rest of gschem. -dave Bill Gatliff wrote: Guys: I can get TI's LittleLogic NAND gates in single (SN74LVC1G00) and dual

Re: gEDA-user: symbol files

2009-11-12 Thread Dave N6NZ
Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 16:36 +, Kelvin Gardiner wrote: Hi, I'm trying to create some new AVR symbols. Can the footprint section of a symbol file have more than one footprint listed. If so how is each footprint separated, a tab or comma? snip You could make the

  1   2   3   4   5   >