Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Clifton
aren't in favour, you are excluded. Perhaps we can draft some mailing list policy for geda-dev which encourage conversation to remain on-topic. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Clifton
with components. If this costs us users, it costs the project. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone

Re: gEDA-user: Trapezoid pads

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Clifton
nice, but it works. I've attached an example. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: Trapezoid pads

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 18:53 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:23 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 10:34 -0500, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: I am looking to make a trapezoid shaped pad for an inductor. So far, I created a rectangular pad and drew

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 20:46 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: shameless plug ... your personal dev-blog), on-line editing files, etc etc -- Github rocks, ... /shameless plug Do you work advertising for GitHub in your spare time Bert? ;) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division

gEDA-user: TRACKERS [was: Re: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]]

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Clifton
(especially in favour of the move ;)). I'd also welcome feedback from anyone who works with bug reports, test patches, merge code etc... (Doesn't have to be with gEDA / PCB, anything regarding Launchpad / SourceForge). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University

Re: gEDA-user: Removing My* memory alllocation functions

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Clifton
to get your name on the commit log, and I did not. VERY sorry about that, especially after all the help you've given me with testing things. AH HECK.. I'm going to break a rule and non-fast-forward push them again with the appropriate credit. Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering

Re: gEDA-user: Removing My* memory alllocation functions

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Clifton
it is required. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: Removing My* memory alllocation functions

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Clifton
any errors if asserts are disabled. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9

Re: gEDA-user: My most recent commit broke Break buffer element to pieces

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Clifton
such long lines). Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Clifton
, there are still plenty of areas where I'm not so familiar with the original design, and am hesitant to touch. gnetlist, gattrib and certain bits in the very core of PCB fit into that category. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Clifton
) that things will get better. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: geda-user Digest, Vol 55, Issue 20

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Clifton
over the next few days. (If not, I'll make a personal point of trying to help sort it out!) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0

Re: gEDA-user: Small patch to aid use of lib dmalloc

2010-12-07 Thread Peter Clifton
container of p within the same function. (Common in our destructors / cleanup code). I've got the basis for the patch which I can send. (Just not all cases of MyStrdup have been fixed). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ

Re: gEDA-user: Patch for some memory leaks associated with the global PCB structure

2010-12-07 Thread Peter Clifton
as only around 1MB is leaked ^___ ONLY?!!! Good work Stephen! I'll push that now. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-07 Thread Peter Clifton
it, I should also just give you the benefit of the doubt and push the patches. (If they were to break anything, they could always be reverted!) Let me know what you want.. either I can push the patches unread, or pass them to Peter B to see if he has time to review them. -- Peter Clifton Electrical

Re: gEDA-user: To get up and running as fast as possible (...)

2010-12-07 Thread Peter Clifton
, but I'm not sure if I have _write_ access). I don't even have _read_ access to the gpleda.org htdocs. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel

Re: gEDA-user: Small patch to aid use of lib dmalloc

2010-12-06 Thread Peter Clifton
and symptoms, I guess some r_trees are being leaked in the autorouter code?) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328

Re: gEDA-user: My branches (some renames)

2010-12-06 Thread Peter Clifton
-local_customisation_pours Now onto your questions: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 16:25 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: Stack order is as follows: For PCB without pours: local_customisation_no_pours -- This is fastest, most shiny, but contains some local stuff like mouse

Re: gEDA-user: Small patch to aid use of lib dmalloc

2010-12-06 Thread Peter Clifton
); directly elsewhere. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: Small patch to aid use of lib dmalloc

2010-12-06 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 00:48 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 10:04 +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: Dropping the (a) ? (a) : 1 foolishness would be cleaner, but could expose latent bugs in the 71 callers of the mymem allocators. I'm happy to proceed either way. What is your

Re: gEDA-user: Small patch to aid use of lib dmalloc

2010-12-06 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:58 +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 10:04 +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: Dropping the (a) ? (a) : 1 foolishness would be cleaner, but could expose latent bugs in the 71 callers

Re: gEDA-user: My branches (some renames)

2010-12-06 Thread Peter Clifton
-report though, it is now fixed for 2D view.. everything is given z=0, so no rendering issues. Let me know how you find the pcb+gl_experimental branch. Btw, since I've re-jigged things, you won't have to suffer my mouse-binding changes when playing with my experimental branch. -- Peter Clifton

gEDA-user: My branches (some renames)

2010-12-05 Thread Peter Clifton
origin/master -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-04 Thread Peter Clifton
a back-trace to see which code caused the allocation before any could be fixed. I believe valgrind is good at detecting leaks! -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-03 Thread Peter Clifton
-automatic routing where you sketch the topology of a net with the mouse (or some other input device). Sounds like we're thinking along similar lines. I could easily have unconsciously absorbed your ideas and suggestions without realising I was re-hashing stuff which has already been said. -- Peter

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-03 Thread Peter Clifton
that freerouting.net lists gEDA as being supported.. is that true? -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask

gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Peter Clifton
, with flashed clearances for pads etc., drawn clearances for lines. Currently, I feel we loose too much information, and gain too muchhel detail by flattening curves and boolean operations on geometry to polygons at the stage we do. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Peter Clifton
? -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-02 Thread Peter Clifton
definitions Implement file-format changes (possible totally new file format?) Arbitrary layer types / stacks Arbitrary pad types / stacks Release? Pours support Release? 3D model support Release? OTHER STUFF I TALKED ABOUT -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-12-01 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 13:00 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 12:13 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: Ok. I recloned(*) compiled and benchmarked my pidpeltier layout with full polygons and with poly_thin_draw. Hardware is my day job desktop, nvidia

Re: gEDA-user: New autorouter high effort mode

2010-11-26 Thread Peter Clifton
breaking whatever method you use, but if we can cooperate, I'll try and do it in a way which isn't so hard to fix ;) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-11-26 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 12:13 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: Ok. I recloned(*) compiled and benchmarked my pidpeltier layout with full polygons and with poly_thin_draw. Hardware is my day job desktop, nvidia quadro, closed source driver. current HEAD: full poly: 15

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-11-26 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 12:13 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: So.. please fetch git HEAD PCB and play with things. current HEAD: full poly: 15 FPS thin draw: 25 FPS version 20091103 as it is distributed in debian/squeeze full poly: 31 FPS thin draw: 25 FPS Yes

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-11-25 Thread Peter Clifton
one? -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-11-25 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 23:37 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Hi geda-users, Kai-Martin, Since I know some people have expressed an interest in why PCB+GL hasn't hit stable yet, I realised earlier that there was another step which is necessary... (besides cleaning up the hacks I made on top

Re: gEDA-user: DRC check workaround for outline layer

2010-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 11:06 +0100, Kovacs Levente wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:56:39 + Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: This is probably not something we'd commit as is to PCB, as for some cases, DRC warnings on the outline layer could be useful, but Bdale was looking

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 22:05 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: The polygon_speedup branch should mostly be a success, but I'm fairly sure it does increase CPU cycles for some operations. I've not had a chance to test it very scientifically, and I'm hesitant to push

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
is needed IIRC, and that is not _all_ that old. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
. Do it a few times.. does the trace location change, or stay the same? There may also be ways and means to debug by passing options to the GL driver, but I don't know any specifics for Radeon. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ

gEDA-user: DRC check workaround for outline layer

2010-11-23 Thread Peter Clifton
effect. NB: You WONT get warnings if your outline touches / cuts off any parts! Best regards, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223

gEDA-user: PCB+GL - Stable (eventually...)

2010-11-23 Thread Peter Clifton
of all the contours within a polygon. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: Different slot types within on symbol

2010-11-22 Thread Peter Clifton
define the beginning of a slot? Oliver The attributes list here might be of help.. http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:master_attributes_list#numslots Note that each pin needs a valid pinseq. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University

Re: gEDA-user: If you also think the PCB lower-case letter 's' is ugly, here's a replacement

2010-11-22 Thread Peter Clifton
has been done / is being / has been worked on: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2684726group_id=73743atid=538813# -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173

Re: gEDA-user: Inkscape text-pstoedit-pcb and importing PostScript/PDF/EPS vector graphics with holes

2010-11-22 Thread Peter Clifton
in characters as plain polygons. So it's possible (though rather tedious) to manually edit the generated PCB file and turn the hole-polygons into holes in their correct polygons. See the post I just RESENT: to the mailing list. It might be of use to you both. -- Peter Clifton Electrical

Re: gEDA-user: If you also think the PCB lower-case letter 's' is ugly, here's a replacement

2010-11-21 Thread Peter Clifton
to make use of. (Which would then make PCB create the file). In this idealised version of the future, the only immediate way you would have to override the font is to edit PCB's default font, $PREFIX/share/pcb/default_font -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department

Re: gEDA-user: Different slot types within on symbol

2010-11-21 Thread Peter Clifton
= attributes which wire up their power pins. The idea is solid though. Best regards, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-21 Thread Peter Clifton
more boring work. I've almost been tempted to set myself the goal of merging the PCB+GL (non-3D) bits this week ;) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal

Re: gEDA-user: STEP Format? [WAS: Re: PCB+GL+3D Packages??]

2010-11-20 Thread Peter Clifton
out the detail. Some work would be needed if you wanted to reliably look through a section of board in a particular place though.. possibly some adjustment of layer transparency would be in order. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-20 Thread Peter Clifton
by existing staff, rather than go out to contract assembly with a long lead-time. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-20 Thread Peter Clifton
, but with different textures attached). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread Peter Clifton
dimensions and layers. Don't confuse rigid body with solid geometry. Maybe my view is to pessimistic, but one needs to read the spec to prove. I've seen claims 1.5 supports BREP. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-20 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 22:48 +, Gareth Edwards wrote: The usability of the Blender 2.5x betas is a step-change from the existing versions. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's considerably less insane. Just installed it, seems pretty good compared with 2.45. Thanks for the pointer! -- Peter

gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
on a VRML importer at the moment, as this will give us access to models people have created for KiCad. (And hopefully the converse too, when PCB+GL+3D lands and users start creating models). /me hating flex and bison like a pro now ;) Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division

Re: gEDA-user: STEP Format? [WAS: Re: PCB+GL+3D Packages??]

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 01:29 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: stl (very nice) IMHO, stl is a mesh only format. That is, everything is made of triangles -- no squares, no circles, no real curvatures. There are no macros, no loops, or repetitions. That suits me just fine

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:30 +, Richard Barlow wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:21 +, Peter Clifton wrote: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda/pcb+gl_3d/pcb+gl_3d_packages_mockup3.png http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda/pcb+gl_3d/pcb+gl_3d_packages_mockup4.png Wow, they look

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
users generating models. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:43 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:15 -0500, Patrick Doyle wrote: Not knowing anything of which I speak (write?), would COLLADA (https://collada.org/mediawiki/index.php/COLLADA_-_Digital_Asset_and_FX_Exchange_Schema) fit the bill? I just

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
as there is a lot more referencing which is done by name within the DOM, rather than implied by the structure of the file. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal

Re: gEDA-user: STEP Format? [WAS: Re: PCB+GL+3D Packages??]

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
: cylindrical resistors, disc-shaped ceramic capacitors, My shiny through hole resistor screen-shots had approx 6000 panels, and yes, it does slow things down if you have lots on screen at once! -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 14:07 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: It has to be mentioned that Blender is free and open source but Google Sketchup is not. I took that as known, but I don't disprove of using good commercial software to do a job. I find Blender quite challenging to work with. -- Peter

Re: gEDA-user: STEP Format? [WAS: Re: PCB+GL+3D Packages??]

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
component models, no.. let GL deal with it. It is unlikely you'll zoom into one so close that culling panels on the CPU will be a big win. It _is_ very helpful for board geometry though. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson

Re: gEDA-user: STEP Format? [WAS: Re: PCB+GL+3D Packages??]

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
the texture space basis vectors rather than CPU. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 02:39 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote: Did I mention, that mesh formats are a one way road, when it comes to construction? (Please tell me, that I don't need to make that point over and over again ;-) Got it ;) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
go back and try again. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 03:00 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: when PCB+GL+3D lands and users start creating models). ^ I'd love to see PCB+GL enter the main repo rather than wait until 3D is mature enough, too. I've been slowly tinkering

Re: gEDA-user: a different approach to 3D modeling

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 02:05 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Wings3D can export to most if not all the formats I'm interested in, but now you make me feel stupid.. I couldn't figure out how to get started with it other than opening existing models. Since you say it is newbie friendly, I'll go back

gEDA-user: STEP Format? [WAS: Re: PCB+GL+3D Packages??]

2010-11-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 10:09 -0600, John Griessen wrote: On 11/14/2010 08:37 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: 3. What format would people like to make models in? STEP, so I can load it in HeeksCAD and use HeeksCNC to carve enclosures. Step looks obscenely complicated, and I'm not really sure what

Re: gEDA-user: STEP Format? [WAS: Re: PCB+GL+3D Packages??]

2010-11-17 Thread Peter Clifton
of ease in processing would be: stl (very nice) iges (simple format, but I have no clue what the syntax is ;)) STEP (_utterly_ evil format). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL+3D Packages??

2010-11-15 Thread Peter Clifton
is extrude a geometry defined in a 2D DXF-file (made with QCAD for instance), this would allow for arbitrary shaped boards. Nice. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL+3D Packages??

2010-11-15 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 00:01 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: I'm thinking VRML (perhaps as output by Wings32) might be a good choice, as I believe this is what KiCad uses. Same, need to check details, e.g. if dimensions and layers are supported. VRML (as I understand it) is surfaces only.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL+3D Packages??

2010-11-15 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 02:37 +, Peter Clifton wrote: An actual rendering from PCB+GL with some code I've been playing with... http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda/pcb+gl_3d/pcb+gl_3d_packages_mockup.png And I figured out lighting a little better, and in the process ran into a nasty bug

gEDA-user: PCB+GL+3D Packages??

2010-11-14 Thread Peter Clifton
? 2. Will anyone bother to make 3D models for packages? 3. What format would people like to make models in? I'm thinking VRML (perhaps as output by Wings32) might be a good choice, as I believe this is what KiCad uses. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department

Re: gEDA-user: EDIF: Found some ancient books. Any use to you?

2010-11-13 Thread Peter Clifton
. Contact me off-list for shipping details to the UK ;) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 23:47 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:08:15 +, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Try again now.. it is possible that I didn't have the correct patches pushed at that point. I was just pushing something out just now for someone at Intel

Re: gEDA-user: Problems compiling PCB Release 20100929

2010-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
too much in terms of build requirements since then. sudo apt-get build-dep pcb That should help get you started. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
. Regarding this bug.. the colour looks like the errors are coming from one of your polygon layers. Does it go away with certain layers disabled? What is the minimum board which exhibits the problem? Does it relate to certain objects on the board, or is it general? -- Peter Clifton Electrical

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 23:13 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On my AMD Mobility Radeon HD3450 (driver: radeonhd) system (debian, stable but old!) and your local_customisation_no_pours branch (without the recent patches) the line ends look wrong http://www.frajasalo.de/frank/projekt/pcb

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 22:39 +0100, Frank Bergmann wrote: Am 09.11.2010 01:16, schrieb Peter Clifton: Tweakable options are: Uncommenting // buffer-use_vbo = false; or removing / commenting: buffer-use_map = false; from hid/common/hidgl.c's hidgl_init_triangle_array

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-08 Thread Peter Clifton
hidgl_init_triangle_array() use_vbo = false; will give you arrays (always) Removing use_map = false; will give you mapping with use_vbo, or arrays without. Regards, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44

gEDA-user: PCB+GL notes on VBOs

2010-11-05 Thread Peter Clifton
, as we often -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

gEDA-user: PCB+GL notes on VBOs

2010-11-05 Thread Peter Clifton
) to discard the previous data). The only penalty ought to be allocating card / driver memory, and this ought to happen in a ring like fashion from identically sized areas we've previously completed rendering from. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-05 Thread Peter Clifton
. I'll try the suggested patches later today. Some real work needs to be done now... Thanks for testing.. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL notes on VBOs

2010-11-05 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 09:37 -0700, Ben Jackson wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 09:46:00AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: Other than this, I don't know why glMapBuffer() doesn't just work performantly I would expect it to map GPU memory directly via PCI, which is going to have much higher

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:43 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: Using VBOs that gives 85.4FPS, so effectively no difference. Using arrays it gives an average of 93.1FPS, literally no difference! Thanks for trying it. I'm embarassed to say your board manages about 9fps

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Clifton
to vblank events, so there might be some dead-time in the rendering. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone

Re: gEDA-user: ANNOUNCE: New gEDA Scheme extension API

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Clifton
stuff, but I had no idea it was so near ready. Well done! -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 15:19 -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:29:04 + Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Here is the gotcha.. the VBO code didn't really work on the NVidia machine.. rendering got really slow. If you discover this, you can force it back to using

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 21:54 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: If VBO rendering slows you down, Ehm, how would I know, that this is the the actual bottle neck? (What is VBO, anyway?) Vertex buffer object: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertex_Buffer_Object Throw

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 22:04 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: I've got a load of changes I've been working on recently in PCB+GL, this time on my local_customisation_no_pours branch. For those not familiar with git, these are the commands I ran to install Peters

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 00:48 +, Peter Clifton wrote: It is interesting to note that git HEAD PCB is slower than 20091103. I wonder what I broke ;) (There might be some performance trade-offs which have been made to improve other activities). I might have to dig into that, as it is quite

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 21:54 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: If VBO rendering slows you down, Ehm, how would I know, that this is the the actual bottle neck? (What is VBO, anyway?) And to answer your other question... you don't know unless you apply the patch in my

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
.. try shrinking the PCB window to the smallest possible size.. does that increase framerate much? If you know how for your drivers (I don't), try disabling sync to vblank. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
to an extra buffer copy, perhaps with a blend operation. You might get a slight improvement without compiz, but it is typically minimal. I usually test with compiz off just to be sure though. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 02:13 +, Richard Barlow wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 02:01 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Perhaps try with the patch I just sent in reply to KMK which moves a couple of glEnableClientState calls. Using VBOs that gives 85.4FPS, so effectively no difference. Using

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-10-31 Thread Peter Clifton
back to writing kernel profiling driver for intel GPUs to squeeze more framerate out of PCB+GL. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-10-31 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 20:49 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: /me goes back to writing kernel profiling driver for intel GPUs to squeeze more framerate out of PCB+GL. Side note: I just purchased a used ATI Radeon HD 4670 that free3d.org announces as the fastest card

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-10-31 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 22:29 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:30 +, Peter Clifton wrote: /me goes back to writing kernel profiling driver for intel GPUs to squeeze more framerate out of PCB+GL. Indeed I wonder why framerate is critical -- is this only

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-10-31 Thread Peter Clifton
. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-10-29 Thread Peter Clifton
. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me

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